tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post1610461902550607395..comments2023-08-07T21:58:26.720-04:00Comments on Pistrina Liturgica: DISORDERED ORDO I (part a)The Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-24682421585835489012016-02-13T03:56:56.290-05:002016-02-13T03:56:56.290-05:00So,I ask this in sincere humility and in no way am...So,I ask this in sincere humility and in no way am I being hateful.<br />Since the priest's ordained before July 1968 are dying off rapidly,do we sit at home and wait for the restoration? (I am not a theologian and need answer's )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-53946803081428441792016-02-06T15:10:03.308-05:002016-02-06T15:10:03.308-05:00Why did you put the word "emergency" in ...Why did you put the word "emergency" in quotes? Don't you think the Church is in a state of emergency?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-54567586978820159942016-02-03T19:53:42.490-05:002016-02-03T19:53:42.490-05:00Very well argued. Sometimes for the sake of brevit...Very well argued. Sometimes for the sake of brevity or convenience, we ourselves fall prey to a linguistic inaccuracy that inadvertently perpetrates the myth that these men have some legitimate claim to the titles they inappropriately arrogate to themselves. For our part, we'll endeavor to avoid these misleading shortcuts in the future, thanks to your welcome caution.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-56365458182256330562016-02-02T11:14:50.209-05:002016-02-02T11:14:50.209-05:00As I see it, the incorrect identification of the s...As I see it, the incorrect identification of the so called "traditional clergy" is really the root of the problem. Bad training, ordos, abuses of money, etc., are all merely the symptoms of the laity buying into a pseudo-hierarchy. <br /><br />In the 70's and 80's when Catholics resisted the Conciliar church, they were initially led by their diocesan priests and those of religious orders. Those priests had a real status in the Church, as they were sent and given a mission. <br /><br />Catholics just seemed to uncritically buy into the idea that new bishops/priests could be trained and ordained, and they would through his process have the same status as the other priests discussed above. That was a rash assumption, based on on what I think was a high degree of ignorance. No one ever bothered to write a reasonable defense of these novelties, it was all just taken for granted due to the "emergency."<br /><br />These assumptions are now so ingrained in so many Catholics, that getting them to see the reality of our situation is now a massive uphill battle. The effect of this is that it has allowed "fiefdoms" within the Church depending on which pseudo-hierarchy one has fallen in with. The dangers associated with such "fiefdoms" vary depending only on the good behavior and restraint of the so called "bishops and clergy" that lead these pour souls. <br /><br />Take some time to think about all of the incorrect terms and practices affiliated with "traditionalism." There are a lot and far beyond the incorrect use of the term, "clergy." I am only drawing attention to this, because once Catholics grasp that these men are not clerics, and by that in no way connected to the lawful hierachy, eyes will begin open to the other problems. <br /><br />Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-72560068944474260972016-02-02T08:46:09.740-05:002016-02-02T08:46:09.740-05:00You're correct, of course. We reluctantly use ...You're correct, of course. We reluctantly use these terms out of practical necessity, *ratione accommodationis*, as it were. We usually try to put them within quotation marks but sometimes neglect the nicety. We'll have to put our thinking caps on and come up with more suitable substitutes. In the meantime, we'll try to be consistent with quotation marks.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-54946890433778395082016-02-01T11:56:28.070-05:002016-02-01T11:56:28.070-05:00The use of correct terms will help clear at least ...The use of correct terms will help clear at least some of the confusion. None of the "traditional priests" are clerics, therefore they cannot be referred to as clergy. These bishops and priests enjoy the same status in the Church in the same as the laity.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-18608090900363248272016-02-01T08:36:59.384-05:002016-02-01T08:36:59.384-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-15719602144077833392016-01-30T21:54:31.467-05:002016-01-30T21:54:31.467-05:00Any non-performing school should be closed down, e...Any non-performing school should be closed down, especially these traddie "seminaries," that are Catholic in name only. In truth, they're cultish monstrosities.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-67580093144861439572016-01-30T21:51:04.692-05:002016-01-30T21:51:04.692-05:00In Cincinnati and Brooksville, the people have alt...In Cincinnati and Brooksville, the people have alternative Mass centers so they miss nothing. At other chapels, they can take charge and give these priests an ultimatum. If they refuse to cooperate, the people can get another priest. But under no circumstances should they submit to spiritual blackmail with the Mass as a club to force the laity into submission. The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-89340261053997549312016-01-30T20:01:41.834-05:002016-01-30T20:01:41.834-05:00My dearest Reader.
Yes, a true Catholic would den...My dearest Reader.<br /><br />Yes, a true Catholic would denounce improper behavior to the proper authority, but that's beside the point. And you are correct that no one can do that now anyway. My point was that the value of the Mass is far greater than any human problems in a parish.<br /><br />Maybe I'm wrong, and even deserve to be "reprobated". If so, please explain to me how someone is better off missing out on the infinite value of the Mass on account of some human problems that are outside his control anyway.<br /><br />Talk about lacking any spirit of Faith. The carnal Jews look positively contemplative in comparison with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-46865018966338140632016-01-30T19:56:41.250-05:002016-01-30T19:56:41.250-05:00The government doesn't want any competition to...The government doesn't want any competition to its brainwashing child internment camps that they call "schools". You must have read too many newspapers, and too few exposés of these nightmarish institutions where children are taught sexual perversions, cultural marxism and moral relativism. Not to speak of the drugs, crime, promiscuity and outright violence that run rampant in them as well. Children are at risk and are victimized in these places on every possible level.<br /><br />Public schools are the places that should be shut down, not traditional Catholic schools.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-54639488968052037212016-01-30T18:52:08.635-05:002016-01-30T18:52:08.635-05:00These people want to leave, but in some of these c...These people want to leave, but in some of these cult centers, there are no other alternatives. Cincinnati is the exception, not the rule, for alternatives. They absolutely desire someone else to come in and offer Mass other than Dolan and Cekada. Yes, the most important thing to a Catholic is their faith, which is exactly why a true Catholic would demand a true Catholic leader and accept nothing less. Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787177355765706886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-91354172599964650722016-01-30T17:25:00.160-05:002016-01-30T17:25:00.160-05:00You must need be able to read the newspapers. Thes...You must need be able to read the newspapers. These dumps are shuttered because they fail to perform academically against professionally validated standards.<br /><br />If by some miracle we could assemble a properly qualified board of visitors for these traddie vocational scams, they'd be closed down in a New-York minute.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-92188551531392180232016-01-30T17:21:08.129-05:002016-01-30T17:21:08.129-05:00Anon. Jan 39 11:094 PM
It is absolutely not the &...Anon. Jan 39 11:094 PM<br /><br />It is absolutely not the "true Catholic attitude," and you are to be reprobated for advancing such scandal. The true Catholic attitude would be to denounce this wickedness before legitimate ecclesiastical authority. Since we no longer have it, the laity must take control of the clergy until the Restoration.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-65586586313417424782016-01-30T17:04:53.789-05:002016-01-30T17:04:53.789-05:00"we have the Mass. We aren't here for any..."we have the Mass. We aren't here for anything else. I don't agree with the priests. Yes, I think the funds are being used inappropriately. Yes, I think the priests have a superior attitude. Yes, they favor the big donors and have a buddy-buddy relationship with them. No, I wouldn't go here if there were more choices, but right now, I am only here for the Mass."<br /><br />This is a true Catholic attitude. The issues you mentioned, even if true, are insignificant in comparison with the importance and value of attending Mass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-51147997750615785302016-01-30T17:02:14.452-05:002016-01-30T17:02:14.452-05:00"awful charter schools that've sprung up...."awful charter schools that've sprung up. ... state governments close them down."<br /><br />Those places get closed down because they don't spend enough time teaching the children how to put a condom on a cucumber.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-1430323782910544272016-01-30T16:59:37.258-05:002016-01-30T16:59:37.258-05:00Why do they say you tried to become a priest if it...Why do they say you tried to become a priest if it's not true?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-52544479315144829362016-01-30T09:01:03.709-05:002016-01-30T09:01:03.709-05:00They don't need to treat the laity with respec...They don't need to treat the laity with respect. They hold the sacraments hostage. Being that it has been shown that the laity still give, even though they are treated the way they are, why would the cult masters feel the need for change? Too many parishioners find this behavior acceptable and the ones who question it are too scared to lose the sacraments. There are many "whispers" among the parishioners but at the end of the whispers is always, "BUT, we have the Mass. We aren't here for anything else. I don't agree with the priests. Yes, I think the funds are being used inappropriately. Yes, I think the priests have a superior attitude. Yes, they favor the big donors and have a buddy-buddy relationship with them. No, I wouldn't go here if there were more choices, but right now, I am only here for the Mass."Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787177355765706886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-34824079714485114612016-01-30T06:02:45.030-05:002016-01-30T06:02:45.030-05:00They've risked everything for a belief without...They've risked everything for a belief without substance. If they'd only read us with a open heart, they'd come to realize that they're a confederacy of malformed dunces. That wouldn't effect their misplaced self-esteem, but they just might treat the laity who feed them with a little more respect. The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-52796315652136096932016-01-30T01:24:22.182-05:002016-01-30T01:24:22.182-05:00Such scumbag clergy are treasuring up for themselv...Such scumbag clergy are treasuring up for themselves wrath against the day of wrath. They obviously think highly of themselves (or their intellect) but are so foolish in this respect. Ah! the folly of the sinner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-63713947372975847412016-01-29T18:19:21.351-05:002016-01-29T18:19:21.351-05:00We just did. The cult masters have fed you a line....We just did. The cult masters have fed you a line. Don't believe them.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-26027308891860144962016-01-29T18:17:07.677-05:002016-01-29T18:17:07.677-05:00That's right: we did. We're glad you remem...That's right: we did. We're glad you remembered. But you forgot to add that we noted the limitations<br /><br />These men would be sacrament machines only, and they would be advertised as such. None of this lying nonsense that the completers would be equal to the priests of the past.<br /><br />We still believe in the project, and we hope to bring it to fruition. Simplex priests who know their limitations would be a major improvement in TradNation where buffoons masquerade as the heirs of tradition.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-15856247424602739252016-01-29T16:29:46.597-05:002016-01-29T16:29:46.597-05:00To anonymous who started this thread, I suggest yo...To anonymous who started this thread, I suggest you look back in previous threads on this site, somewhere around 2011, and you'll see that this author promoted the idea of seminarians being ordained after about 2.5-3 years being taught online by lay teachers and working at a day job.<br /><br />Yes, you should be concerned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-437751354033150172016-01-29T16:24:17.261-05:002016-01-29T16:24:17.261-05:00Then can you please set us straight in this matter...Then can you please set us straight in this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-8242431750905607692016-01-29T11:44:57.910-05:002016-01-29T11:44:57.910-05:00May these scumbag clergy taste divine justice.May these scumbag clergy taste divine justice.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.com