tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post376486983362043831..comments2023-08-07T21:58:26.720-04:00Comments on Pistrina Liturgica: RUN, RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!The Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-83822477623691175342017-06-25T07:54:25.749-04:002017-06-25T07:54:25.749-04:001, To each his own.
2. "He who can take no i...1, To each his own.<br /><br />2. "He who can take no interest in what is small will take false interest in what is great." (Ruskin)<br /><br />3. Your experience is clearly limited. You must be new to Tradistan — or don't listen to the sermons.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-57814240590696655402017-06-24T15:55:36.895-04:002017-06-24T15:55:36.895-04:00Some have not and others just because they stumble...Some have not and others just because they stumble across your pile of BS doesn’t mean they will believe it. Just like everybody that learns of Alex Jones doesn’t automatically become a conspiracy theorist because they know while he brings up some true stuff he is mostly full of it.<br /><br />You case would seem much stronger if you didn’t nitpick the small inconsequential items.<br /><br />Besides it is hard to believe you when all of my firsthand experience with some of the clergy you blast directly contradicts everything you say about them. (i.e. they have asked me for money, told me not to go to other churches and join only their church, etc)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-6470448053204648702017-06-24T10:54:06.104-04:002017-06-24T10:54:06.104-04:00You'd have to have lived as a hermit not to ha...You'd have to have lived as a hermit not to have heard of the cult masters. No, these losers are choosing $GG with full knowledge.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-20119786475042050052017-06-24T10:51:40.783-04:002017-06-24T10:51:40.783-04:00Many thanks to the very learned and always well in...Many thanks to the very learned and always well informed Tarquinius. Nice anecdote about the Italian Fourth Estate.<br /><br />His Beatitude's attitude to all things certainly reflected the authority-hating '60s. Rome, like all other craven power centers of that era, allowed itself to be insulted.<br />The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-10451879399883220902017-06-24T09:44:50.618-04:002017-06-24T09:44:50.618-04:00I don’t think you can call it a bait and switch wi...I don’t think you can call it a bait and switch with the Golden Corral, but if that had chosen a more upscale place you would surely accuse them of squandering church funds to pay for it.<br /><br />Even if 100% of what you believe about SGG were true your logic does not follow that anybody attending must not be normal or a quality mate. This is simply because if people are attending from many different parishes they may have no knowledge about the split or any of the things you accuse the Clergy of. To them it may simply be “oh look a get together for single traditional Catholics” <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-26002438745628998802017-06-24T07:41:35.706-04:002017-06-24T07:41:35.706-04:00The Ordo Concilii Oecumenici Vaticani II celebrand...The <i>Ordo Concilii Oecumenici Vaticani II celebrandi</i> is very clear in chapter V, <i>De Lingua in Concilio adhibenda</i>: CAPUT VI<br /><br /><i>Art. 28 <br />(Lingua in Sessionibus publicis, in Congregationibus generalibus, in Tribunali administrativo, in actis adhibenda)<br /><br />In Sessionibus publicis, in Congregationibus generalibus, in Tribunali administrativo et in actis exarandis lingua latina adhibetur; quo autem eius usus expeditior evadat, praesto sunt lectores, interpretes ac translatores.<br /><br /> <br />Art. 29 <br />(Lingua in Commissionibus adhibenda)<br /><br />In Commissionum disceptationibus praeter latinam linguam adhiberi possunt communiores linguae vernaculae, sed quae iis linguis expressa sunt, statim in linguam latinam sunt vertenda.</i><br /><br />As you can clearly see in the Acta Synodalia, the Patriarch was speaking in a (or rather the fifth) General Session: <br /><br /><a href="https://archive.org/stream/ASI.1/AS%20I.1#page/n373/mode/2up" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/stream/ASI.1/AS%20I.1#page/n373/mode/2up</a><br /><br />But making use of French, let me tell you this, surely was the least impious thing the blessed Patriarch did. <br /><br />Of course, Latin proved to be a problem even for the locals. When Card. Godfrey made the statement <i>"Debemus levare linguam Latinam</i>", the Italian press made the almost Cekadesque error of translating it as "we must abolish the Latin language"!Tarquiniusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-22899181508665968622017-06-24T05:59:10.969-04:002017-06-24T05:59:10.969-04:00Here at PL's editorial offices on upper floors...Here at <i>PL</i>'s editorial offices on upper floors, we often enjoy pizza, so no one wears a food filter. Our criticism was aimed at $GG's bait and switch tactic for lunch. (It's apparent someone must have told the idiot "planners" that there wouldn't be enough time for an all-you-can-eat buffet at the Golden Corral plus bowling before shuttling to the airport.<br /><br />No need here for a course in common sense, although you may need one yourself. Anybody who would attend $GG's YAG or any event it sponsors is not a normal person, and the chances of a "quality mate" surfacing in that gathering of cultists is zero. Anyone who supports the cult masters is depraved.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-66780982416835398782017-06-23T20:31:54.359-04:002017-06-23T20:31:54.359-04:00Ok Watcher & Reader, you see, to enjoy bowling...Ok Watcher & Reader, you see, to enjoy bowling alley pizza one must first pull the monocle away from ones eye as well as remove the inserted pretentious food taste filter they have arbitrarily inserted between their mouth and brain. <br /><br />I recommend you and The Reader take a remedial course in common sense and you will then understand that one does not attend a YAG for the pizza.<br /><br />I would also add that those willing to travel to a YAG in order to meet a likeminded person with similar faith and morals are clearly a cut above the rest. You see normal people don’t live in their mom’s basement giggling at their own literary skill while they blog into the night. Normal people actually care about finding a quality mate and don’t mind eating good or bad pizza to do it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-334271847549714402017-06-23T19:07:51.577-04:002017-06-23T19:07:51.577-04:00You're welcome.You're welcome.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-19437301906518237832017-06-23T19:05:25.722-04:002017-06-23T19:05:25.722-04:00Once you know their game, it is like taking candy ...Once you know their game, it is like taking candy from a baby. Thanks for the education P.L.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-52673829474089182292017-06-23T18:08:30.470-04:002017-06-23T18:08:30.470-04:00We stand on our answer.We stand on our answer.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-17788543382388766822017-06-23T16:20:01.947-04:002017-06-23T16:20:01.947-04:00I'm not clear on which church you're talki...I'm not clear on which church you're talking about here. I only know of one Catholic Church, yet you are talking about something called the "institutional Church", which is regarded (by whom??) historically and canonically as the Roman Catholic Church.<br /><br />This seems to be your meaning until your very next sentence, in which you say you don't condemn people who leave this institution. How can you not condemn someone who leaves an institution that you seem to think is the Catholic Church?<br /><br />Then in the next sentence immediately after that one you say many traditionalists have left the "institutional Church" in "good conscience". The phrase "in good conscience" is used to refer to an action that is objectively wrong but which the person doing it believed to be right. So that sentence says that actually it *is* wrong to leave the "institutional Church" but most people who left don't realize that.<br /><br />Can you please figure out whether the organization that Jorge Bergoglio is head of is the Catholic Church or not and then let us know?<br /><br />If you come up with rational explanations for all the above, perhaps next we can address 10:05's point that you skillfully avoided, namely, does the Catholic Church have a law that allows sacrilege in the form of giving sacraments to non-Catholics?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-1775769852422413552017-06-23T15:41:46.751-04:002017-06-23T15:41:46.751-04:00You've got that right!You've got that right!The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-4597177516532343902017-06-23T15:40:33.732-04:002017-06-23T15:40:33.732-04:00Maybe Tarquinius can tell us whether the protocols...Maybe Tarquinius can tell us whether the protocols explicitly permitted the use of French at the council (owing to its recognition as a language of international diplomacy). The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-28727147215035857162017-06-23T12:53:40.442-04:002017-06-23T12:53:40.442-04:00I'm not sure whether arguing for a universal l...I'm not sure whether arguing for a universal law in favor of using particular vernacular languages while employing one particular language which might not be intelligible to all Fathers and certainly isn't the vernacular of the place ... is such a brilliant idea. <br /><br />In any way, the presiding Cardinal should have told him the same thing this one old French priest told an American youngster who asked with a broad accent: <br />"<i>Ubinam possum dicere missam?</i>"<br /><br /><i>"Si vis loqui latine, forsan potero tibi respondere."</i>Simpliciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840940562311957747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-67173136440306548412017-06-23T11:31:31.750-04:002017-06-23T11:31:31.750-04:00I gue$$ the good old parish picnic didn't brin...I gue$$ the good old parish picnic didn't bring in enough revenue, so they are off to a new game, 'Bowling for DOLLAR$" from DUMBO$.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-82285311229842730342017-06-22T19:15:06.811-04:002017-06-22T19:15:06.811-04:00When the YAG-loser crowd of loners and hags led by...When the YAG-loser crowd of loners and hags led by the lard-gut Uneven Steven hits that joint, we expect its social standing will be lowered considerably. Even toothless hill jacks and biker gals will leave in disgust when those famished warthogs hit the entrance.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-31439369251156464152017-06-22T17:28:07.775-04:002017-06-22T17:28:07.775-04:00If the picture in the “link” provided is a “”promo...If the picture in the “link” provided is a “”promotional photo” for Gilmore Lanes, and/or typifies the kind of “clientele” that usually frequents that place, we can see why Dannie “changed venues” for the bowling bash. It definitely looks like “bottom-tier blue collar.” (And does each person in the photo have his/her own personal <b>zip code</b>?) And we seriously doubt that Dannie’s reason for changing venues was “limited space at our first option.” (It was more like Dannie exclaiming, “Gag me with a spoon, Checkie! How did we pick <b>THIS</b> dump??!!) <br /><br />BTW, we “googled” the <i>new</i> “venue” (<i>Game of Fairfield</i>). It’s no palace either – but at least their “promotional photo” wasn’t one depicting <i>a herd of elephants</i>. But <b>pizza</b>? “And from a <b>bowling alley</b>? Perhaps if they don’t want to <i>eat</i> it, they can use it for one of their “games”: <b>Frisbee</b>!! <br />The Watcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18313770117983560091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-7649536390019464512017-06-22T15:57:36.837-04:002017-06-22T15:57:36.837-04:00Dolan makes the pizza party details clearer under ...Dolan makes the pizza party details clearer under the UPDATE tab:<br /><br /><b>We recently set up our bowling reservation for Sunday but after finding that there was limited space left at our first option, we have changed venues to Game of Fairfield, which is a little farther down the road. Due to a great deal they offered us on pizza for the sustenance of the starving hordes – YUM! – we have also scrapped the Golden Corral lunch plans in favor of eating at the bowling alley. Less hassle, no cost to attendees, and an all in one, easy-to-find location.</b><br /><br />Is <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x88404f3350b96cd1%3A0x416d6eae608e0f0e!2m19!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m13!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fgilmore_lanes!5sGilmore%20Bowling%20Lanes%20-%20Google%20Search&imagekey=!1e3!2s-PH-aN9sNCSs%2FWITmgrOgvoI%2FAAAAAAAAA3g%2F5VL9NPOvX-0F9RHUuACaD27dZTPPliuigCLIB&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsnMjomNLUAhWE8CYKHWDCBkcQoioIeTAL%22" rel="nofollow">THIS</a> pic from the Gilmore Lanes what he has in mind for the new venue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-71826611661390310072017-06-22T12:43:38.323-04:002017-06-22T12:43:38.323-04:00But didn't the patriarch argue in favor of usi...But didn't the patriarch argue in favor of using the vernacular, urging the Roman Church to employ the languages of it various communities in its liturgies?<br /><br />In such a situation, it's easy to see why he'd use a modern language to make his case before the council Fathers.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-90930778131082600292017-06-22T11:01:56.300-04:002017-06-22T11:01:56.300-04:00"Many of its defenders spoke haltingly in Lat..."Many of its defenders spoke haltingly in Latin while the proponents of the vernacular expresses themselves in glorious Ciceronian periods."<br /><br />I'm dubious. Maximos IV addressed the aula in French.dcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424510747759223459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-41712233018252009762017-06-22T07:07:26.946-04:002017-06-22T07:07:26.946-04:00Yeah, now it's down to free "two-topping ...Yeah, now it's down to free "two-topping pizzas" and beverages (probably Kool-Aid) before bowling. Can you get any stingier? A measly <i>two</i> toppings! Man, Dannie's going all out, isn't he? How much ya wanna bet that they won't even come from a pizzeria? They'll probably be some cruddy home-made junk that tastes like cardboard or some awful frozen mess from a discount warehouse. What a rip off. It probably won't even be "all you can eat." The obese singles at YAG will have to soothe their anxieties on bowling alley junk food at their own expense.<br /><br />We also note the cult masters are perpetuating a common error by styling "noon" as 12:00 <i>PM</i>. That may be OK for the idiots on the TV weather report, but if these bozos were really the cultured "clergy" they promote themselves top be, they would have written 12:00 <b>M</b> (<i>meridies</i>). But since they're virtually Latinless and sub-educated, they have no idea of the correct use of notation for the 12-hour time convention.<br /><br />Now some of you will object, saying the YAG skags and sleaze bags wouldn't understand. If that's the case (and we're sure it is), the cult masters could have written "noon." But face it: they just don't know.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-32297068453737763982017-06-22T06:34:46.800-04:002017-06-22T06:34:46.800-04:00Agreed, 9:26 PM.Agreed, 9:26 PM.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-37937558569215831652017-06-22T06:33:49.877-04:002017-06-22T06:33:49.877-04:00Brilliant insight! Marooned on Tradistan, the &quo...Brilliant insight! Marooned on Tradistan, the "clergy" have degenerated into savagery and broken up into infighting tribes, each hoping to control the conch.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-71896604386608624002017-06-21T22:08:37.727-04:002017-06-21T22:08:37.727-04:00Bravo Reader! Your explanation about the crisis i...Bravo Reader! Your explanation about the crisis in the Church is excellent and hit the nail right on the head. Finally something clear and concise in less than 500 words. Amazing!<br /><br />You know I can't help but thinking how the Trad Movement is like the book, " Lord of the Flies".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com