tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post559025726268793935..comments2023-08-07T21:58:26.720-04:00Comments on Pistrina Liturgica: PLAYING IT SUPER SAFEThe Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-39794943489740808302018-01-24T19:25:03.536-05:002018-01-24T19:25:03.536-05:00Yes Yes Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-23023895540961013062018-01-24T11:07:02.409-05:002018-01-24T11:07:02.409-05:00Do you mean Arinze?Do you mean Arinze?The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-23502568101998914642018-01-24T07:54:38.082-05:002018-01-24T07:54:38.082-05:00I wish Bishop Arzine would conditionally ordain an...I wish Bishop Arzine would conditionally ordain and consecrate the entire Thuc line just to erase any form of doubt for the laity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-4039794617072735112018-01-24T07:46:48.353-05:002018-01-24T07:46:48.353-05:00Bishop Slupski was ordained in 1961 & consecra...Bishop Slupski was ordained in 1961 & consecrated by Bp.McKenna.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-73038659253697025092017-12-30T10:30:16.582-05:002017-12-30T10:30:16.582-05:00A great reply to 8:05.
You're probably close ...A great reply to 8:05.<br /><br />You're probably close to the truth regarding the cult masters' <i>original</i> goal. However, as Eric Hoffer wrote, "Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."<br /><br />We doubt the Jellyfish's people will do as much trash-talking about the B'ville cult kingpin as they used to. They're probably having a tough time wrapping their heads around the <i>rapprochement</i> between Big Don and Bobby. And if the Jellyfish is a co-consecrator, they'll have to clam up completely, unless they decide to leave.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-9210462717584539792017-12-30T07:27:43.670-05:002017-12-30T07:27:43.670-05:00As far as I know, the Selway family has its branch...As far as I know, the Selway family has its branches in all organizations of Tradistan, including the SSPV. Simpliciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840940562311957747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-62251120647099842482017-12-30T03:26:28.312-05:002017-12-30T03:26:28.312-05:00Really quite conservative, eh? In a pig's eye!...Really quite conservative, eh? In a pig's eye! <br />I get it. For example, you tolerate all the ambiguities contained within the documents of Vatican II. <br />Oh! So you're only interested in helping select souls. How very (un) Catholic of you! You serve a master from below. <br /><br />I'll go down the sewer with the SW Ohio/Brooksville crowd? Funny that? So the CMRI is obviously part of those groups? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-62314527349332340702017-12-29T21:12:27.429-05:002017-12-29T21:12:27.429-05:00I don't believe the beginning goal of these me...I don't believe the beginning goal of these men was greed, but I think it was corrupted over time. Their view on things keep flip flopping, depending on how it fits their current status. Terrie Schiavo, thuc, Neville, Eamon Shea, Dr. Drolesky, a few specific nuns, cmri, Ramolla, mr. Halll, and McKenna are just some of the facts for 8:05 to research. When you research these things, more issues will come up and you will begin to connect the dots of arrogance and pride, the opposite virtues that our Lord taught of humility. <br /><br />I can't say much on Dolan, he seems to keep quiet. On the other hand, Sanborn and Cekada are full of themselves and open themselves to criticism all over the internet by projecting their scholarly review of everything under the sun. They have declared themselves the encyclopedia of Trad Catholics, and they have publicly looked down on other trad catholic leaders, cmri being one. <br /><br />Look at the current situation in Arizona Of Palma creating an idea that it is horrible to go to a cmri church. It can't be thuc, since both are from that line, so what is it exactly for a reason why Palma would spread hate and lies about another Catholic group? If Sanborn did not agree, would he not step in and stop this? <br /><br />Also, look at what priest breaks open champagne/wine to celebrate someone dying, and according to them, laughs that most likely burning in hell? <br /><br />Just because these men appear to be scholars, that doesn't make them an authority on being Catholic. I notice you criticize this blog, while at the same time reading it; Yet, have you condemned any of these priests actions for slander and uncharity? Or do they get to do what they want because they have a roman collar.<br /><br />You have a very limited view of these men, which leads me to believe you don't know them well. I don't know if you are just a Sunday church goer, new to traddieland, or if you have just drank the koolaid they feed you, but you really need to do your research. Ask past parishioners, especially that of the mass exodus of 2009. Ask Neville's church members who may or may not be willing to talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-12047656859042974592017-12-29T20:25:13.750-05:002017-12-29T20:25:13.750-05:00Not according to the more common opinion. See our ...Not according to the more common opinion. See our reference in our "Dubiety of Ordination Conferred with One Hand" (p. 25), as linked in our post.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-51599668925470078162017-12-29T20:16:04.513-05:002017-12-29T20:16:04.513-05:00I was taught that the lesser is contained in the g...I was taught that the lesser is contained in the greater, in that if there are defects in validity of a priestly ordination, any such defects would be rectified during the rite of consecration as a bishop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-42086437898914576512017-12-29T18:11:12.116-05:002017-12-29T18:11:12.116-05:00I will step in here having skimmed through the com...I will step in here having skimmed through the comments after reading the article itself back when it had 17 comments. I spent a lot of time listening to Bp. Sanborn in podcasts from TRRadio, and am the illustration for the story of how someone - even more a born protestant - gets all excited and later learns the truth - the truth only gleaned after hours spent reading the entire PL archives.<br /><br />I agree with the PL take on Bp. Sanborn and the enterprise because when I listened to podcasts I regularly had to deal with my own personal distaste for what my ear told me was disdain. No; this isn't a quality for which I am known so I am not reading myself into another person.<br /><br />Re: Selway - a name I had never heard 'until this blog'<br /><br />Q. The answer is probably there in the archival comments and I missed it amongst all the other detail I was inhaling: <br /><br />Is Fr. Benjamin Selway related to Fr. Joseph Selway? Is this not interesting. Fr. Benjamin Selway is associated with the SSPV. <br /><br />Thanks.Nandaranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05797138906682964812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-63683169748635224042017-12-29T17:52:06.657-05:002017-12-29T17:52:06.657-05:00N.B. We interpret 11:32's comment as a rejoind...N.B. We interpret 11:32's comment as a rejoinder to 8:05.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-87408046253197891692017-12-29T17:49:47.025-05:002017-12-29T17:49:47.025-05:00We're really quite conservative. The differenc...We're really quite conservative. The difference between us and you is a tolerance for ambiguity when the Church is silent.<br /><br />Please note that we're not at all interested in changing the minds of <i>sede</i>s like you. You'll go down the sewer with the Sw Ohio/B'ville cult. The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-21593428259680687172017-12-29T16:21:56.805-05:002017-12-29T16:21:56.805-05:00No wonder you're so full of "winning"...No wonder you're so full of "winning" ideas such as attending novus ordo eastern rite masses. <br />IOW, you're a species of religious liberals which I abhor. You have NO chance of convincing sedes of anything. But I thank you for revealing your true selves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-47306309550411035922017-12-29T16:06:35.156-05:002017-12-29T16:06:35.156-05:00Glad to.
We do have a couple of staffers who lean...Glad to.<br /><br />We do have a couple of staffers who lean toward one <i>sede</i> <b>hypothesis</b> or the other as a plausible explanation for the crisis. But they don't affirm it is a doctrine and recognize, absent the Church's declaration, that other positions <i>may</i> obtain. They are deeply repelled by the cult masters' arrogance and effrontery. And like everyone on staff, they are aliquid pravists — anyone who acknowledges that something is wrong in Rome is a brother or sister in the faith.<br /><br />Our use of "<i>sede</i>" above refers to the rabid cultists of Tradistan who bring discredit to the traditionalist cause.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-80741719992137144362017-12-29T16:01:48.426-05:002017-12-29T16:01:48.426-05:00Anon Dec 29 at 11:32 AM.
Hear! Hear!Anon Dec 29 at 11:32 AM.<br /><br />Hear! Hear!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-63434441852371931642017-12-29T14:48:05.662-05:002017-12-29T14:48:05.662-05:00"(2) Unlike the sedes we've never questio..."(2) Unlike the sedes we've never questioned Thục's faculties or anything else..." <br /><br />Reader~ You've stated in the recent past that "The Reader" is comprised of multiple individuals, some of which are sedevacantists. However, your language above implies that there are NO sedes among your ranks. Please explain? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-92063000081165012302017-12-29T14:32:21.376-05:002017-12-29T14:32:21.376-05:0011:45 AM
(1) When epieikeia = "equity,"...11:45 AM<br /><br />(1) When epieikeia = "equity," it means to do what is right and virtuous. But when as a term of art in moral theology it means that "a human law does not bind if right reason indicates that the legislator did not wish it to bind in these particular and quite concrete circumstances," then it is a principle of interpretation of human laws.<br /><br />(2) Unlike the <i>sede</i>s we've never questioned Thục's faculties or anything else about him, so we have no idea how to respond. We have even defended his Latinity.<br /><br />(3) Many <i>sede</i> "clergy" have doubtfully valid orders depending upon whether "One-Hand Dan" conferred their "orders."<br /><br />(4) Even the most deficient Eastern rite training is certainly much less "HORRIBLE" than that found in Sedelandia. <br /><br />The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-45476246321460944552017-12-29T11:45:21.367-05:002017-12-29T11:45:21.367-05:00Yes, you are INDEED ignorant of supplied jurisdict...Yes, you are INDEED ignorant of supplied jurisdiction, and of how to use epikeia. And no wonder, because epikeia is a "virtue", as St. Thomas said. You cannot fathom it, face it. Ignorant also of the faculties Thuc had outside of his diocese to consecrate and ordain. <br /><br />Nobody outside the bishop of Rome is actually thrown out of the Church unless the pope does so, so even that easy discernment you couldn't even get right.<br /><br />Many Eastern clergy are doubtfully valid depending upon whether their lineage goes back behind the Iron Curtain. They are in conscious governing union with apostate Rome, and they have HORRIBLE training, which is why they don't fight Vatican II, and accept Francis. So, as you drive people to apostasy, you spend your time attacking those few who have held fast to the integral Faith!<br /><br />This blog is like Romper Room on stilts.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-878923467165450802017-12-29T11:32:12.153-05:002017-12-29T11:32:12.153-05:00Please! Put down that magic eight ball. That's...Please! Put down that magic eight ball. That's not the way to decide why others do things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-6900052596605380842017-12-29T09:20:15.412-05:002017-12-29T09:20:15.412-05:00You're welcome to your own reading of their mo...You're welcome to your own reading of their motivation. We just think they saw a great opportunity for themselves amidst the gullible.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-78884368600948163402017-12-29T09:15:41.501-05:002017-12-29T09:15:41.501-05:00No, they are not in the Church, and they're de...No, they are <b>not</b> in the Church, and they're definitely <b><i>not</i></b> clergy:<br /><br />NO commission from the Church.<br /><br />NO title.<br /><br />NO office.<br /><br />NO canonical rights.<br /><br />NO training in an approved institution, etc., etc., etc.<br /><br />BTW, the fake clergy rôle <i>was</i> the easiest path to a comfortable life for these ne'er-do-wells. It is doubtful whether many of them could have survived in a real job where they'd be held accountable. Easier to make it all up.<br /><br />And <i>yes</i> we do think real clergy exist — in the Eastern rites. Real bishops included.<br />The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-88915918106420647482017-12-29T02:11:22.318-05:002017-12-29T02:11:22.318-05:00Yeah, yeah, yeah... There are 2 sides to every st...Yeah, yeah, yeah... There are 2 sides to every story. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-11916104877866366262017-12-28T20:07:41.123-05:002017-12-28T20:07:41.123-05:00Reader,
They are IN the church. They are REAL cl...Reader,<br /><br />They are IN the church. They are REAL clergy. Do you think no REAL clergy exist anymore? I’m sure glad they are willing to take on such a position in these times. They could have taken so many easier paths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-69954481007439807602017-12-28T20:05:11.023-05:002017-12-28T20:05:11.023-05:00In general it seems that “Anon” and Reader have a ...In general it seems that “Anon” and Reader have a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories, but not many cold hard facts. Sure they sprinkle in some facts here and there, but if this blog were just the facts it would be very short and wouldn’t paint the dire conspiratorial evil plot that they want to paint.<br /><br />So Bishop S, Bishop D, and Father C all decided 40 years ago to embark on some crazy long winded conspiracy to pretend to be priests with a hardline theology so they could purposefully massively limit the amount of growth they might have so they could then extract money from as few unsuspecting parishioners as possible so they could ultimately live in both an industrial park and the middle of nowhere in a Seminary? <br /><br />One would think from reading this blog that you were talking about Joel Osteen!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com