tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post7646363313086074118..comments2023-08-07T21:58:26.720-04:00Comments on Pistrina Liturgica: 🎶AND ALWAYS LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR GUIDE🎶The Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-67560051344076128002017-04-30T23:25:48.107-04:002017-04-30T23:25:48.107-04:00I am interested in seeing some replies to Anonymou...I am interested in seeing some replies to Anonymous April 13, 2017 at 9:11 PM<br /><br />Anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-18672647323365974202017-04-18T09:27:04.316-04:002017-04-18T09:27:04.316-04:00I know people who have known Bishop Slupski for de...I know people who have known Bishop Slupski for decades.<br />He was ordained in 1961 and is NOT a stupid ignorant man.<br />His associates have told me the internet has horrible incorrect gossip about him.<br />Bishop Slupski doesn't respond to the false rumors for one reason.<br />His attitude is <br />"The Lord knows the truth.If someone has a question for me,I will answer it,if its a rumor,so be it,I will not concern myself"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-15893625356377686312017-04-17T10:20:42.899-04:002017-04-17T10:20:42.899-04:00I don't enjoy going on what others tell me,esp...I don't enjoy going on what others tell me,especially about something from 40 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-39015896467212928972017-04-17T10:18:50.646-04:002017-04-17T10:18:50.646-04:00Have you been to a Ordination involving Bishop Slu...Have you been to a Ordination involving Bishop Slupski?<br />Or are you going on what you have "heard" from other people?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-2522860146337679742017-04-17T10:16:15.103-04:002017-04-17T10:16:15.103-04:00Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-54263315101316098932017-04-13T21:11:23.103-04:002017-04-13T21:11:23.103-04:00What happened to Fr Vaillancourt and the Sister wh...What happened to Fr Vaillancourt and the Sister who left CMRI with him; what are they doing nowadays?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-8326159593637123762017-04-07T11:49:06.812-04:002017-04-07T11:49:06.812-04:00Very telling is a July 2004 article from the West ...Very telling is a July 2004 article from the West Roxbury, MA, <i>Transcript</i>, which reported on this dirtbag's resignation from the chapel there when they learned about his brushes with the law.<br /><br />It reported that a board member said that during the hiring they consulted with priests from around the country who recommended him. The same member affirmed that "If we found out [about his past], we would have hauled him out in two seconds."<br /><br />This is the problem with Tradistan: there was and is a conspiracy among the dirtbag "clergy" to rehabilitate this crudball. In the past, he's even been invited to the priests' retreat in Mt. Vernon, WA. The laity in NY who keep him employed must be depraved, for they certainly know the sordid story that Apr 4 9:27 linked. (Click <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1160060/posts" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> to read it again.)<br /><br />Pistrina Liturgicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08438611767221518698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-26971254739506608892017-04-04T22:11:27.909-04:002017-04-04T22:11:27.909-04:00Yes, indeed. That's the scumbag who almost bro...Yes, indeed. That's the scumbag who almost brought down the whole thing, and yet he's back in the fold (though he still must fly under the radar.) That should say more than PL ever could.<br /><br />A pity the poor woman's attorney wasn't more aggressive during discovery. Had he been, it would have been all over.<br />The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-51690377948677731312017-04-04T21:27:24.464-04:002017-04-04T21:27:24.464-04:00This week’s Bishop’s Corner comes to you as an “in...This week’s Bishop’s Corner comes to you as an “in-flight edition.” I am on my way back on Thursday morning from Tampa, having assisted at †Kathleen Sanborn’s funeral on Wednesday. Fr. Cekada served as MC, I gave the eulogy, Fr. Desposito was deacon and seminarian Mr. Philip Eldracher from Michigan, subdeacon, and Fr. Selway, Assistant Priest. Fr. Thomas Zapp came from California, and Fr. Dennis McMahon drove all the way from New York, a two-day trip. <br /><br />http://www.sgg.org/2013/08/31/pentecost-xv-5/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-38711181634119013212017-04-04T21:17:13.360-04:002017-04-04T21:17:13.360-04:00A traditionalist priest, a tragic death, and a law...A traditionalist priest, a tragic death, and a lawsuit<br />http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1160060/postsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-33103579805960648462017-04-04T09:09:50.458-04:002017-04-04T09:09:50.458-04:00We have no idea, but the number must be very large...We have no idea, but the number must be very large.<br /><br />When we wrote sloppy, we meant the manner in which the rites were carried out. At one, he himself was holding the book when he was supposed to be imposing hand<b>S</b>! Witnesses to another ordination were shocked at the disorder.<br /><br />We would advise conditional orders in all cases.<br /><br />If we had to bet, we'd agree with you that many were poorly trained and unworthy.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-41338023001404239512017-04-03T22:13:32.823-04:002017-04-03T22:13:32.823-04:00Do you folk have any idea how many ordinations Slu...Do you folk have any idea how many ordinations Slupski has done?When you say sloppy,what do you mean?Is it they lacked any training or were unworthy.Bet they are both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-51175120822778687882017-04-03T21:57:20.988-04:002017-04-03T21:57:20.988-04:00No new info yet. We recently had a report that the...No new info yet. We recently had a report that the CMRI had established a mission very near Dannie's. That may explain why we haven't heard much from him about MN lately. One unconfirmed communication said there had been a <i>major</i> disagreement last year. However, we can't go into more detail because we've been unable to get documentation, and we won't post until we're sure. For instance, we had heard of Tradzilla's ouster well before we posted, but we waited until we got a copy of Pivvy's letter before our announcement. The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-83620379347828179832017-04-03T21:48:44.278-04:002017-04-03T21:48:44.278-04:00Yes, you're right, there are other names we om...Yes, you're right, there are other names we omitted, such as "The Skipper," known elsewhere as "Oscar the Weiner," the idiot in MI who skipped the consecration in the canon one Sunday and then blamed the laity for making him work too hard. But those names are the main ones.<br /> <br />We have very little experience with the SSPV, so, like Wittgenstein, what we cannot speak about, we pass over in silence. We are, however, very familiar with the SW Ohio/Brooksville/Michigan cult cabal and their history. Our principal mission is to warn people to stay away from these religious entrepreneurs. If you read enough back posts, you'll note that, although we do use ridicule to bring home our message and to demythologize the cult masters, the content is based on direct observation and fact.<br /><br />Thus we didn't just say Checkie's Latin is dreadful or his book was a disgrace: we proved it on any number of occasions (especially our demonstration of his perverse mistranslation of infallible papal teaching and our documentation in 2010 of the myriad shameful errors in <i>WHH</i>). <br /><br />As for our bottom-line position on episcopal orders, we really advocate <i>multiple</i> lineages, just to be on the safe side. You never know when the other shoe might drop.<br /><br />Note, too, that we have trouble with some sublineages from Thục. For instance, if Dannie were ever to consecrate, we could never accept the candidate as valid owing to the problem of his one-handed priestly orders; he would have to be ordained and consecrated conditionally before we could feel comfortable with orders from him. Similarly, anyone only in the line through Slupski is suspect: we've heard too many frightening tales of sloppy ordinations to ever feel even moderately safe with anyone he has ordained or consecrated. The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-34787479483831853482017-04-03T21:48:03.256-04:002017-04-03T21:48:03.256-04:00Do you folk have any info on that new CMRI group i...Do you folk have any info on that new CMRI group in MN?Are they from the SSPV or Novus Ordo?<br /><br />Yes,in total agreement that the Pivmiester is a clown as well.Some of the stories heard about some of the clowns he has ordained is a joke.He has no standards either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-52154501884803360482017-04-03T21:08:58.938-04:002017-04-03T21:08:58.938-04:00You forgot Pivmiester...admittedly easy.
I am awa...You forgot Pivmiester...admittedly easy.<br /><br />I am aware that you recognize the Thuc line as valid, but is there any reason why you (all?) single them out for ridicule? In my very brief sojourn to a SSPV chapel I gathered they are almost as deserving of such criticism. Or was I too hasty in my judgement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-4885383616255064752017-04-03T20:36:28.624-04:002017-04-03T20:36:28.624-04:00No. The creep we referred to was in MI at the time...No. The creep we referred to was in MI at the time. He had returned there after a stint in prison. You may find our post about the lawsuit <a href="http://pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2014/07/travelers-tribunal-game-four-nc-17.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />We've posted keys to the sobriquets several times, but it won't hurt to do it again. Since you already guessed the identity of the loathsome Long Island Jellyfish, here are the main ones:<br /><br />The Clone, the Kid, Junior, "bishop"-elect = Selway<br />Tradzilla, the Donster, Big Don, Sinburn = Sanborn<br />"OneHand" = Dolan<br />Checkie, Cheeseburger, Cheeseball, Checkmeister, Blunderer = Cekada<br />Toady = Palma<br />Scut the Prefect = Despósito<br />Squirmin' Herman = Fliess<br />Uneven Steven = McKenna<br />Lurch = McGuire<br />The Forlorn Finn = Lehtoranta<br /><br />"Dirtbag Dan," "Dannie," "Wee Dan, " "Li'l Daniel," "Donnie" and the like shouldn't give any trouble.<br /><br />The various antonomastic references (e.g., His Excremency etc.) are usually to Dannie. Those that apply to the Jellyfish use the neuter possessive "Its" (e.g., Its Gelatinouscy). <br /><br />We know the epithets present a challenge to newcomers, but we think they're fun and capture the essence of the clowns we blog about.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-54902361809838757612017-04-03T19:01:26.188-04:002017-04-03T19:01:26.188-04:00Whoa! I'm fairly new to these controversies, s...Whoa! I'm fairly new to these controversies, so please forgive and link back if my questions have already been addressed, but did SGG admit a priest in their ranks who fathered a child and use parish funds to assist him in the legal dispute with the woman? The use of perjoitatve pseudonyms, though amusing, can be difficult for us noobs. It took me a long time to figure out who the jellyfish is, for example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-18215699855076389082017-04-02T12:28:00.575-04:002017-04-02T12:28:00.575-04:00A word about Guérard des Lauriers. First, we agree...A word about Guérard des Lauriers. First, we agree that he was a superbly well-trained, brilliant theologian and scholar. (We're particularly impressed with his rôle in the Éditions du Cerf's translation of the <i>Summa</i>.)<br /><br />However, let us tell you what we have heard from priests who were at Écône in the early years. By that time, des Lauriers was of advanced age, and even the francophones said his lectures were barely intelligible. We don't expect these Americans who were still struggling with French got too much out of the lectures. Moreover, the general disdain in which the Americans at the time were held suggests that the great man would hardly have made any one of them his protégé.<br /><br />As for our animus toward "One Hand" and Tradzilla, it is not hatre. It's more like holy contempt. And that contempt has sharpened, not dulled our reasoning. What we present here are facts and the conclusions that necessarily flow from those facts. We see them clearly for who they are, and we warn others to stay away or get out for their own good.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-43662256289445187472017-04-02T09:52:50.917-04:002017-04-02T09:52:50.917-04:00Bishop Vezelis could pass down the Roman System th...Bishop Vezelis could pass down the Roman System the same way Bishop Bernie can and the only difference is Bishop Vezelis lived and breathed the Roman system for 25 yrs.Bishop Bernie is just now entering the Roman system after 35 yrs of being in an independent system.<br />I understand what you're saying but the men who taught at Econe in the 70's were from the Church pre-1962.The SPX priests who went in the 70's were taught by Fr.Des Lauriers.He helped write the document of the Assumption of the BVM.<br />Not being rude but your hatred of Bp.Dolan Bp.Sanborn can blind your reasoning.You all are very educated and I respect that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-51340523675878696262017-04-02T08:02:08.732-04:002017-04-02T08:02:08.732-04:0010:58
You must not have read our last paragraph i...10:58<br /><br />You must not have read our last paragraph in the comment above, or you would have seen we dio not advocate boycotting independent chapels.<br /><br />We would, however, urge all to be very careful when going to a <i>sede</i> chapel. The training is usually substandard (especially in the "bishop"-led cults), and in the case of "One Hand" and the men he's ordained, there's real doubt about their validity. Nevertheless, we recognize that there are some very good <i>sede</i>s out there who are not affiliated with the "bishop"-led cults. In fact, we count many among our friends and have assisted at their Masses.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-83676630244562255472017-04-01T22:58:02.434-04:002017-04-01T22:58:02.434-04:00"Our dilemma is this:how can any group that d..."Our dilemma is this:how can any group that doesn't have a commission from the Church not be man centered?"<br />The supreme Law of the Church is salvation of souls.<br />Concerning independent clergy,Jesus Christ said he'd be with us until the end of time.The only place to receive Jesus Christ body blood soul divinity is Holy Communion.<br />If you think we can't receive Jesus Christ through holy Communion and must boycott independent churches,we are calling Jesus Christ a liar.<br />We all have preferences but there is has and been so much ecumenical Jewish Islamic Antichrist heresy in the Novus Ordo plus the new doubtful rite of holy orders,I will avoid and reject the New Order.(Novus Ordo)<br />I say this in all due respect.This is not an attempt to change the World but giving our side (Sede SSPX Rezistance) of the debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-76660883506894535222017-04-01T21:28:13.847-04:002017-04-01T21:28:13.847-04:007:47: Our dilemma is this: how can any group that ...7:47: Our dilemma is this: how can any group that doesn't have a commission from the Church <i>not</i> be man centered? We've only seen a few independents who have the discipline and the courage merely to offer the sacraments and steadfastly eschew the trappings that belong only to the institutional Church. Without such holy restraint, it's a slippery slope leading to cults of the personality and arrogation of rights and powers that have never been bestowed. YFrom your testimony, you may be one of the lucky Catholics who is served by one of these virtuous souls.<br /><br />7:52: Agreed that Vezelis had come from "The System." The problem is with others who, no matter how able and enthusiastic, have never been part of The System. It folkways and mores cannot be efficiently transferred by independent study or one-on-one tutoring.<br /><br />We can tell you that even those formerly NO priests who leave and embrace the traditionalist cause are far superior to the <i> sede</i>s because they experienced directly "The System."<br /><br />Yes, there have been huge changes since V II, but ancient organizations do not lose all the old ethos. There is a core that perdures. That's one of the reasons the formation within the FSSP or SSPX (at least after the mid '70s) will always be several orders of magnitude better than anything offered by the radical independents.<br /><br />Note that we must exclude Tradzilla, "One-Hand," and Checkie as having had real experience in "The System." When they completed Écône in the mid '70s, it was still in its infancy. Like all start ups, it had not yet found its footing or direction. Then they left the society before it had recaptured much of the Roman Way. For that reason, the younger priests of the Nine are a breed apart from the cult masters, in spite of their early separation from the SSPX. And it goes without saying that those coming from Winona are light years ahead of the first vanguard of Americans.<br /><br />Now all this doesn't mean we think no one can be trained to serve as an independent "priest" and offer the sacraments. We think it can be done. It's just we should never mistake these men for the real thing. But they can never be more than a <i>simplex</i>.<br />The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-65127793685381434682017-04-01T19:52:09.975-04:002017-04-01T19:52:09.975-04:00This is one reason I suggested Bishop Giles Butler...This is one reason I suggested Bishop Giles Butler Franciscans in Union,KY.They have the faith and are active in your area.<br />How can a man be educated by an higher institute of Catholic learning if he is being taught by the very men who destroyed Catholic hegemony?<br />Bishop Vezelis was active in forming priests in South Korea pre and post Vatican 2.<br />Agree or disagree at least their founding bishop had a history and learning and working within the Roman system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-56763663983241544672017-04-01T19:47:13.205-04:002017-04-01T19:47:13.205-04:00I agree with you BUT Catholicism is not man center...I agree with you BUT Catholicism is not man centered.<br />There are sedevacantist and <br />SSPX-Resistance clergy who have the faith.Not all of us worship man,I promise you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com