tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post8570740406928016384..comments2023-08-07T21:58:26.720-04:00Comments on Pistrina Liturgica: DISORDERED ORDO IVThe Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-36999048239110600992017-07-08T21:49:44.265-04:002017-07-08T21:49:44.265-04:00Regret not seeing or not recalling what Gene may h...Regret not seeing or not recalling what Gene may have stated about what he thinks DOES work, if it is in the past Archives. One comment on this blog post asks him to state what he does think would work, and as far as could see, Gene didn't answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-214223247313417732016-04-30T15:13:07.687-04:002016-04-30T15:13:07.687-04:00Gene is correct. The term "sedevacantism"...Gene is correct. The term "sedevacantism" and its variations was coined some time in the 1970's, probably by Bp. Guérard des Lauriers. In other words, they didn't bastardize the term; they invented it to describe what's going on in the Church today, and for several decades now.<br /><br />The argument that "we've never had a situation with no pope" is completely irrelevant. Before the Great Western Schism, there had never been a time with three claimants to the throne of St. Peter. That doesn't mean that the Great Western Schism doesn't exist. There's a first time for everything.<br /><br />And you seem to think that the sedevacantist idea is false because you don't like the behavior of some of its proponents. You're not the first person who has said that on here. If you really believe that whether or not Bergoglio is pope or has the Catholic Faith depends on the actions of sedevacantist priests or bishops, then you are completely disconnected from reality.<br /><br />But I guess that can happen to someone who is trying to believe that Bergoglio believes in the Catholic Faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-37530639348848566642016-04-30T09:20:51.174-04:002016-04-30T09:20:51.174-04:00You still do not seem to grasp this. You state, &...You still do not seem to grasp this. You state, "I agree that never in history has the term been used as it is today," but the fact is that the term was never used at all. It is a new term that describes something new, that's why it is not found anywhere in Church history. Our current crisis in the Church is also something new for the Church, so this new anomaly is begging for some new terms to describe it. <br /><br />You still seem to be drawing in the bishops and priests who profess sedevacantism and conflating them with the actual position of sedevacantism. This is incorrect logically, The lawfulness of the sedevacantist "clergy" is a separate question from whether sedevacantism is the correct response to public heretics claiming to be popes. <br /><br />I agree, there is no excuse for sin, but that is really not at issue. <br /><br />If you want to have a discussion on whether sedevacantism is a true and correct position, I am happy to discuss that with you, but let's leave out the non-sequiturs. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-86888523837526160592016-04-29T21:00:19.020-04:002016-04-29T21:00:19.020-04:00The said article first surfaced [leaked?] on April...The said article first surfaced [leaked?] on April 15 when I forwarded it to 4 contacts. A lot is going on and we should really focus on important issues. <br /><br />Need I mention Amoris Laetitia?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-42189537805389905312016-04-29T19:32:02.517-04:002016-04-29T19:32:02.517-04:00I recently read an interesting article by Fr. Schm...I recently read an interesting article by Fr. Schmidberger SSPX on the inevitable reconciliation of the SSPX to the Roman authority. It is a great work that fully explains the issue at hand. What I find fascinating is that Christ founded His Church knowing full well that the Eucharist would be desecrated throughout her existence and that He had foreseen each pope to the end of time and the damage they would cause. Yet, He is with the us through this beleaguered structure and now the SSPX have an awesome responsibility ahead of them. They will have more of an opportunity to be effective in righting the wrong.<br />Please take the time and carefully read:<br />http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2016/04/the-moment-has-come-to-normalize.html#.VyPrcNQrLIUThe Critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620589067199847326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-66883508040960714872016-04-29T19:24:10.588-04:002016-04-29T19:24:10.588-04:00Gene, I understand your point, however I will disa...Gene, I understand your point, however I will disagree. Sedevacantism was born of disobedience, thus creating a parallel church. I agree that never in history has the term been used as it is today, which gives more credibility to the fact that they operate as rogues are usurpers of priestly authority. Anyone who claims to be sedevacantist is schismatic at best. Sorry, but there is no excuse for sin due to sin.The Critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620589067199847326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-50834396904247761492016-04-28T16:05:13.066-04:002016-04-28T16:05:13.066-04:00Anon April 28, 3:17 PM.
God's will is in agre...Anon April 28, 3:17 PM.<br /><br />God's will is in agreement with the Reader April 27, 5:05 PM re Supreme Roman Pontiff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-73435712811232096862016-04-28T14:23:20.596-04:002016-04-28T14:23:20.596-04:00Could the idiots name be Mark Lotarski who complie...Could the idiots name be Mark Lotarski who complied Dannie's 2016 ORDO?The Shadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306306242831669719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-52491956924777401082016-04-28T09:17:35.853-04:002016-04-28T09:17:35.853-04:00God doesn't will the death of sinners; nor doe...God doesn't will the death of sinners; nor does he will wickedness. Anyone who continues to congregate w/these evil doers will be held accountable for their sins (cooked in the same pot w/them).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-73781983931159246602016-04-28T07:41:51.937-04:002016-04-28T07:41:51.937-04:00Critic, the term "sedevacantism" was ne...Critic, the term "sedevacantism" was never used in Church history, prior to this crisis. The term was created, by Michael Davies I believe, as a description for this position of rejecting the Conciliar claimants, and acknowledging that despite their claims, there is no pope. <br /><br />Since the term never existed, the current use of this new term is hardly a bastardization, as you assert. If you disagree show the use of the term prior to this current crisis. <br /><br />I stand by my statement on the false dichotomy. One cannot use as an argument that the problems of the sedevacantist groups, bishops and priests is by that an argument against the position of sedevacantism. The position stands or falls based on whether its arguments are true, not on who may hold the position. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-18716447973533856162016-04-28T01:07:58.782-04:002016-04-28T01:07:58.782-04:00Gene, there are no false dichotomies I can assure ...Gene, there are no false dichotomies I can assure you. "The state of sedevacantism has nothing to do with the groups.." Really?! Sedevacantism is the absence of the Roman Pontiff when he is no longer reigning, most commonly when he dies or abdicates the throne. So, the manner in which these "groups" use the term is disingenuous, for they bastardize the original meaning by stretching the term to fit THEIR use. There is no time in history that reflects this bastardization, it is upon you to prove it! To my knowledge, you cannot. It is a false position or opinion created to support schism. Now, your job is to prove otherwise.<br />The Critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620589067199847326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-90497973807984812372016-04-27T19:24:26.453-04:002016-04-27T19:24:26.453-04:00God's will.God's will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-40557172368914109282016-04-27T11:05:42.523-04:002016-04-27T11:05:42.523-04:00Yes, with an orthodox Supreme Roman Pontiff all pr...Yes, with an orthodox Supreme Roman Pontiff all problems would be solved. What's best, if we do get a true Pope, the cult masters would never accept him, so we'd be free of them forever.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-16319100216375476022016-04-26T21:48:07.974-04:002016-04-26T21:48:07.974-04:00Gene to PL April 25, 3:14 AM.
2nd last para state...Gene to PL April 25, 3:14 AM.<br /><br />2nd last para states ..."the real problem in the Church, that we need a Pope"...The para above it states "mostly rotten". The rot is from the top, that is Rome! Our Lady of La Salette knew and She cares for Her children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-67835423807069935772016-04-26T17:39:01.790-04:002016-04-26T17:39:01.790-04:00Anon Apr 26 4:00 PM
No, we haven't yet learne...Anon Apr 26 4:00 PM<br /><br />No, we haven't yet learned the name of the idiot who compiled Dannie's erroneous ORDO 2016. Hopefully someone will come forward and identify this knucklehead.Pistrina Liturgicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08438611767221518698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-65431589765528604292016-04-26T16:33:43.763-04:002016-04-26T16:33:43.763-04:00PL April 26, 4:09 PM
No sedevacantism at the time...PL April 26, 4:09 PM<br /><br />No sedevacantism at the time the Bible was printed. So the quotation from Scripture is in reference to whom? It is more Rome than SW Ohio-Brooksville.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-17197598619639177262016-04-26T16:26:10.554-04:002016-04-26T16:26:10.554-04:00In my view, we are in an unresolvable situation. ...In my view, we are in an unresolvable situation. When the bishops Thuc, Lefebvre, de Castro Mayer and Mendez broke the law of the Church and privately chose candidates for episcopal consecration, and then went through with it, unleashing autocephalous vagrant bishops into the Catholic fold, they (unwittingly?) created something so radically novel and dangerous that it is hard to react to it. <br /><br />What they created were bishops who would operate privately in the Church, operating solely on their own judgment in the use of the episcopal orders, answerable to no one.<br /><br />These bishops on their own non-authority would judge the fitness of candidates for the priesthood and ordain priests who would also as unauthorized agents roam the world without any approval or lawful supervision. <br /><br />With this as a backdrop, I think we can draw some conclusions: <br /><br />1. The existence of this illegal anomaly in the Church was wrong from the start. The bishops involved gravely erred in judgment by consecrating and ordaining bishops and priests in this circumstance.<br /><br />2. Since this act was done, and bishops priests are now as free agents roaming the world, it is for the laity to judge them as to whether it is prudent to request the sacraments from them, in regards to their validity of their orders and secondly to whether they are in any way a danger to our (or our children's) Faith or morals <br /><br />3. Other than the sacramental role of these bishops and priests when the laity request it, they have no other role: not: in giving unauthorized sermons, judging marriages as to validity, authoritiavely judging unsettled matters and applying sanctions (denial of holy Communion), telling Catholic which priests or groups they are forbidden from going to, dispensing, etc. <br /><br />4. Our role as the laity is to keep the Faith, stay in the state of grace, and wait for the legitimate hierachy to return. At no time should the "traditional bishops and priests" be considered or in an any way equated with the lawful hierarchy, who alone posses the commision to gather and rule over the sheep. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-47241049667050720142016-04-26T16:00:22.682-04:002016-04-26T16:00:22.682-04:00Critic 4/26 7:44 A.M.:
You should know reflect on...Critic 4/26 7:44 A.M.:<br /><br />You should know reflect on each of your propositions and root out your assumptions from the facts. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-31012393084928655712016-04-26T15:57:53.051-04:002016-04-26T15:57:53.051-04:00Anon 4/25 9:59 p.m.:
It seems to me that you are ...Anon 4/25 9:59 p.m.:<br /><br />It seems to me that you are creating a false dichotomy. The state of sedevacantism has nothing to do with the groups, bishops and priests who hold the position, or variations of the position. <br /><br />Another way to say it is this: if all of the sedevacantist groups, bishops, and priests disappear at this moment, that does not in any way change the truth of the position. It stands or falls on the arguments that support it, not the people who hold it. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02700328503985444489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-64863086535197210252016-04-26T10:09:34.274-04:002016-04-26T10:09:34.274-04:00Anon. Apr. 26 3:53 PM
That quotation from Scriptu...Anon. Apr. 26 3:53 PM<br /><br />That quotation from Scripture applies just as aptly to the unclean Babylon of the luxury-loving, money-mad SW Ohio-Brooksville cult cabal. "As much as she hath glorified herself, and lived in delicacies, so much torment and sorrow give ye her." Ibid. 18.7<br />Pistrina Liturgicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08438611767221518698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-24873440803500676512016-04-26T10:00:26.282-04:002016-04-26T10:00:26.282-04:00Error is truly egregious. Were you ever able to fi...Error is truly egregious. Were you ever able to find out who was responsible for preparing? Doesn't excuse the reviewers/supervisors, especially since some of the errors seem to have come straight from the top.<br /><br />In regard to list of priests, found this on the web. <br />http://www.videomusic.com.au/cormariae/ListofPriests.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-17583810976711364562016-04-26T09:53:06.849-04:002016-04-26T09:53:06.849-04:00The Holy Bible: "And I heard another voice fr...The Holy Bible: "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues." Apocalypse 18:4<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-62741309112368662112016-04-26T03:47:55.056-04:002016-04-26T03:47:55.056-04:00Our Lady of La Salette: "Rome will lose the ...Our Lady of La Salette: "Rome will lose the Faith and become seat of the Antichrist".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-9582780788780319302016-04-26T01:44:19.096-04:002016-04-26T01:44:19.096-04:00So all you seedy sede's by your own admission ...So all you seedy sede's by your own admission would rather have seen St. Athanasius break away and start another sect? It's a darn good thing we have history to show us differently now isn't it? He remained faithful to a pope who wasn't worthy and the rest is history. O ye of little faith! History is replete with scoundrel popes and prelates who abuse the Word of God for personal gain. It is in our best interest to remain faithful to the Church while professing the truth.<br />All of the aforementioned groups have one thing in common - a brick wall! There is no hope nor is there any connection to the truth. Although Pope Francis may very well be in the anti column, we must pray for him to see the truth. There are plenty of faithful Catholics in the Church today! There are societies dedicated to the restoration of the faith, yet sede's are too blind to see them.<br />It is time to stop supporting and keeping these beggars in business. Cut off the money and they will whither away.The Critichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03620589067199847326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-34994893047082568332016-04-25T23:08:28.201-04:002016-04-25T23:08:28.201-04:00Good advice.As far as someone saying people are in...Good advice.As far as someone saying people are instruments of the devil for exposing the problems in sedeland "Clerics" is beyond words.Can you see the early Saints of the Church sitting back and saying nothing.Our extended family have seen too many good people hurt.Yes,these men are insults to the Faith.You are to be commended for your fine work. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com