tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post973049743208754394..comments2023-08-07T21:58:26.720-04:00Comments on Pistrina Liturgica: IN ENDLESS ERROR HURL'DThe Readerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-12900297351753013392017-12-08T21:33:09.639-05:002017-12-08T21:33:09.639-05:00In re: Anonymous 8/19/17, to me this sounds like S...In re: Anonymous 8/19/17, to me this sounds like SHeiner and I only say that because of the intensity of the language. <br /><br />When I wrote a little back and forth with him after completing the survey to help TRR going forward into a new season for them, he wrote '...they will have a lot to answer for' referring to judgment. He knows all about PL and TLP (of course I had been gullible at the time enough to wonder whether he did). 'We have confidence in our clergy...' and I cannot remember any more - it was the criticizing of clergy that got to him. Clergy as he deems his circle of contributors. <br /><br />I've been away from this site for quite some time and have no ability to be a critic even at the remove of only being a TRR (former) member... yet I fully agree with Eric Hoyle's Confessional Jurisdiction - I admire that work immensely. It really does make it clear to me the situation and it is dismal.<br /><br />But.. a ray of light from PL which had I not returned here wouldn't have run across. <br /><br />The site is still helping me the protestant-born. Landed on the Eastern rite option discussion first upon return to reading. Quite interesting and surprising - especially the Syro-Malankara Church of which it is said 'have kept out conciliar influences completely.' Getting closer to move from Honolulu; not even an Eastern rite parish here any more evidently.Nandaranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05797138906682964812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-86801481153995448822017-12-08T21:05:39.061-05:002017-12-08T21:05:39.061-05:00Yes to 8:47 pm - 'well spotted.' ... and i...Yes to 8:47 pm - 'well spotted.' ... and it IS important.Nandaranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05797138906682964812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-45959299729531579152017-08-27T09:19:49.614-04:002017-08-27T09:19:49.614-04:00You used the word "equate" for the conce...You used the word "equate" for the concepts of ordinary & extraordinary, which don't equate. If your followers don't see that, or say nothing to you about it, that would be because they have their own cult following here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-79687672840039366912017-08-26T20:09:53.040-04:002017-08-26T20:09:53.040-04:00No denial. We're affirming Cheesy didn't e...No denial. We're affirming Cheesy didn't even have ordinary training. As we pointed out, you can't even talk about the two things in the same breath. That's our point. You're the one in error. The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-1219195094560665102017-08-26T19:10:38.080-04:002017-08-26T19:10:38.080-04:00Now you are going into denial because you cannot b...Now you are going into denial because you cannot bear the thought of your being mistaken. Look at the original, and you see that I mentioned Fr. C having "ordinary" training and Fr. De Pauw having "extraordinary" training. Look at it! Now you just said that I said I was "equating" them! How does ordinary and extraordinary "equate"? They don't. Have some humility and acknowledge you made an error.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-29831174915687611042017-08-26T18:42:37.402-04:002017-08-26T18:42:37.402-04:00We aren't wrong — and we're not dodging an...We aren't wrong — and we're not dodging anything. You were equating the Cheeseball and a true priest by mentioning the two together. You've no idea about what training used to be. <br /><br />Checkie may be "clergy" in the sense that Lutherans, Baptists, and Methodists may be considered clergy of their false confessions, but he is not a Roman Catholic cleric as defined by the privileges and rights thereof.<br /><br />We labor under no fantasy, unlike you. Ours is a sober, hard-eyed view of the truth. Comparison is everything. You cannot compare trad formation to the past, just like you can't compare a rural community college program to an Oxford University education, except unfavorably.The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-46760589638545381132017-08-26T16:41:13.968-04:002017-08-26T16:41:13.968-04:00To anonymous 11:50 AM: Yes, Cekada DID know that ...To anonymous 11:50 AM: Yes, Cekada <b>DID</b> know that Terri Schiavo was able to swallow through her mouth “through most of the controversy”: he was informed of it by <b>everal people</b>. And even if he <i>hadn’t</i> been (which he <b>was</b>), he’s had ample time (over a decade) to recant his words. In other words, sir, you are a <b>liar</b>.The Watcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18313770117983560091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-15991975107049603752017-08-26T16:33:57.282-04:002017-08-26T16:33:57.282-04:00The Reader (3:53), yes, talking to you. You cannot...The Reader (3:53), yes, talking to you. You cannot seem to even admit when you are wrong (something you criticize clergy for, and you do it often). I mentioned De Pauw and Fr. C in "the same breath" in order to admit that Fr. C had much less, and yet you complained as if I were equating them. Just admit when you are wrong sometimes; you can grow in humility. <br /><br />Then you mention a traditional bishop, as if you accept he is a bishop, when you have already made it quite clear you don't consider them bishops. <br /><br />I don't bat an eye to hear it said that traditionalist training is "low" in comparison to pre-V2. Low is a comparison. It's a gradation of an original human standard. Even less than the SSPX standard has been positively approved of in Church history. As well I already mentioned how simplex priests are true clergy, and the Orthodox are considered clergy by the Holy Catholic Church. You just dodge good arguments and pretend you cannot be wrong. Like some fantasy of yours. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-43043291688331120282017-08-26T15:53:37.810-04:002017-08-26T15:53:37.810-04:00We don't know if you were addressing us, but i...We don't know if you were addressing us, but if you were, let us personally assure you Tony Baloney's training was far inferior to that of the pre-Vatican II seminaries. (His perverse translation of infallible papal teaching is just one example.)<br /><br />As one traditionalist bishop from South America has written, the academic level at Écône in the '70s was low compared with what he had received in his seminary in Argentina.<br /><br />As for "ordinary training," we wouldn't say a 1973 bachelor's from a Novus-Ordo seminary and two years — '75-'77 according to his Wikipedia entry —at Écône comes anywhere near the training priests got in the 1950s.<br /><br />As for Schiavo, we did indirectly comment with our link to Fr. Iscara's article.<br />The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-77031818315569677992017-08-26T13:53:42.725-04:002017-08-26T13:53:42.725-04:00Nothing to say about Schiavo? Good.
Now, why don&...Nothing to say about Schiavo? Good.<br /><br />Now, why don't you go back and carefully, this time, read why both were mentioned. Apparently you don't have good comprehension. It clearly says Fr. De Pauw had higher training and Fr. C did not. Fr. C had quite ordinary training. Far more training than a simplex priest before Vatican II and he was considered clergy. For better than schismatic Orthodox and even the Catholic Church considers them clergy. Nor has the Church participated in any way of denigrating and ridiculing Anglicans or Orthodox. The Church is there for our example and you are simply not getting the message. You sound more like Martin Luther in his table talks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-21703396954426068742017-08-26T13:44:59.760-04:002017-08-26T13:44:59.760-04:00Yet, he still passed judgment without knowing the ...Yet, he still passed judgment without knowing the facts, criticized others for not accepting his erroneous opinion, and only now (after the backlash of his actions) has he come to realize he might be wrong?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-35779558416384991492017-08-26T13:41:24.152-04:002017-08-26T13:41:24.152-04:00Checkie was not trained in any way close to Fr. De...Checkie was not trained in any way close to Fr. De Pauw, who was a real priest of the Roman Catholic Church. Those early years at Écône were sub-optimal, to say the least.<br /><br />We'd say it's scandalous that you, Anonymous 11:50 AM, should mention the Cheeseball in the same breath with Fr. De Pauw. Read his Wikipedia bio and you'll see why.<br /><br />If you'd like to see how a truly well formed Catholic handled the issue of the moral limits of medical treatment, we invite you to read <a href="http://archives.sspx.org/against_sound_bites/to_live_and_let_die.htm" rel="nofollow"> THIS ARTICLE.</a>The Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09191910319072202603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-62168832720430471192017-08-26T11:50:31.099-04:002017-08-26T11:50:31.099-04:00For convenience, here is how I responded to Introi...For convenience, here is how I responded to Introibo on that other blog...<br /><br />Introibo, Fr. Cekada was trained as an ordinary priest. Fr. De Pauw had more extraordinary training for sure, but you don't denigrate a priest publicly for being ordinarily trained. Do you really know the distinction, or not? It's scandalous what you just wrote about the Charmin. Could Fr. Cekada have made a mistake? Could Fr. De Pauw have made a mistake? Yes, either or both could have. <br /><br />Now, Catholic theologians of good repute have said, before Vatican II, that a food hole directly to the stomach is extraordinary means of keeping a person alive. Don't criticize Fr. Cekada for holding what was acceptable among the Catholic clergy. Perhaps there is a case for saying it was extraordinary then, but not any longer? I have not seen a substantial case being made for that, nor has Fr. Cekada. You don't go public and suggest Fr. Cekada was for "murder". That is absolutely sinful. <br /><br />What complicated the Schiavo case was that the woman was capable of receiving sustenance through her mouth, and Fr. Cekada didn't realize that through most of the controversy. In the end he admitted that if she was capable of that, then it would have been murder to refrain from trying to give her sustenance via her mouth.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-72135093029054400992017-08-26T03:58:09.265-04:002017-08-26T03:58:09.265-04:00You are right,Anonymous August 25, 2017 at 7:47 PM...You are right,Anonymous August 25, 2017 at 7:47 PM, this was very interesting reading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-20962557673294308372017-08-25T19:47:53.071-04:002017-08-25T19:47:53.071-04:00This is off topic, but you MUST read this ! Check ...This is off topic, but you MUST read this ! Check out the last comment sent by Cekada to the owner of the blog and how this guy "Introibo" rips him apart!! Read the last anonymous comment sent from a friend of Cekada and Introibo's two part Reply below it! I just saw it and it's too good not to share! Please enjoy reading and let your readership know!<br />https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/08/prayers-for-non-catholics.html?m=1<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-41946527356634150222017-08-24T20:30:13.425-04:002017-08-24T20:30:13.425-04:00Ditto here. I figured it out that way, too. Ditto here. I figured it out that way, too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-10380734808927721152017-08-24T20:27:36.125-04:002017-08-24T20:27:36.125-04:00You just proved his point.
Your insistence on th...You just proved his point. <br /><br />Your insistence on this nit picking IS eroding my esteem of your little crusade in my mind every time I read it. <br /><br />You clearly have no perspective. Typical novus ordo "clergy" issue heretical and just plain stupid howlers all the time, and 4 of the 7 FSSP "trad" clergy I've heard sermons from have uttered little better from their pulpits. <br /><br />The problem with SGG is not their grammar anyway, it's the things that really mater, like are the good men or are they charlatans? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-33296288111325128762017-08-24T10:46:49.588-04:002017-08-24T10:46:49.588-04:00Praise God for telling the truth about Pius XII an...Praise God for telling the truth about Pius XII and the after Midnight Holy Commnion fast being mutilated to 3 hours!!<br />Our chapel ignores every "change" from 1951-1958.<br />Good job,we need more like my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-62509780820126337612017-08-22T14:27:01.432-04:002017-08-22T14:27:01.432-04:00Oh, you are quite welcome!Oh, you are quite welcome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-65415189749024575332017-08-22T12:55:15.007-04:002017-08-22T12:55:15.007-04:00I frequently use language much stronger than used ...I frequently use language much stronger than used here to describe the "tomfoolery" of the Trad movement and of myself. I am often rebuked that if "Our Lord" were here.... I always remind the rebuker in question that He is here and witnesses exactly what the people I'm talking about say and do (as He surely sees me). He w ill judge us all - forget the false appeals to Charity and recall that in describing Himself, Our Lord first said He was the "Truth" - nothing will get by that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-83204509398494658532017-08-22T11:18:50.362-04:002017-08-22T11:18:50.362-04:00@ Anonymous 9:49 AM
Thank you for that fine examp...@ Anonymous 9:49 AM<br /><br />Thank you for that fine example of faux-elegance. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-87115149509478271302017-08-22T09:49:16.955-04:002017-08-22T09:49:16.955-04:00"When you speak to fishermen, speak of fish.&..."When you speak to fishermen, speak of fish."<br /><br />This blog I believe was initiated to warn the innocent fish of the sharks that swim among them. <br />Unfortunately there have been many causalities before the reading audience finally got the message. Eventually they did not care how it was said, (though I must admit it was very entertaining and will written), the message was delivered, without killing the messenger.<br /><br />To those who are new to this blog, I can assure you, that your opinion is always welcomed, but not always taken. That is the beauty of Free Will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-71308511600025907822017-08-21T21:34:32.642-04:002017-08-21T21:34:32.642-04:00Anon 11:14,
The $GG/Swampland Syndicate have Pius ...Anon 11:14,<br />The $GG/Swampland Syndicate have Pius XII, for starters, as their favorite cardboard pope, if I may borrow the phrase. Of course, Pius XII is useful when one wants to pick and choose between a midnight or a three hour Communion fast; or when a mixed choir is simply more convenient. The cult masters are too busy pope-sifting through feast days, like St. Joseph the Worker, to improve their knowledge of Sacred Scripture. They would not dare lower themselves to take to heart the words and exhortations of Pius XII who was barely a pope in their eyes. No, their time is much better spent telling their cult devotees to reject that which was given by the Church. Attendanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09060274995462595400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-19173600197621790412017-08-21T21:15:15.804-04:002017-08-21T21:15:15.804-04:00Where are your comments about Dolan's animal t...Where are your comments about Dolan's animal torture stories? You 'defenders' only rush to respond when there's a post like this which is too scholarly for you to understand and so you claim it's unimportant. Holy and "better" men don't put animal torture stories in the weekly church bulletin nor stand by while their supposed bishop does so--nor does any congregation. Why do you put up with it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-426244098779533128.post-90114385596425063292017-08-21T18:26:56.916-04:002017-08-21T18:26:56.916-04:00One could apply the Not always scenario to anythin...One could apply the Not always scenario to anything, except the proverbial saying about "death and taxes" they are an absolute. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com