Thursday, January 5, 2012

LOOKING MORTIFIED UPON A MONKEY


[T]he same thing seems different and conflicting to different people: it is "transposed" by a small additional ingredient, and appears utterly other by the "transposition" of a single constituent. For Tragedy and Comedy are both composed of the same letters. Aristotle (Joachim's translation)

The letter we posted last week from a follower certainly created a buzz around here (and generated an avalanche of e-mail). For our correspondents, his suggestion that the Thuc line is defective through Carmona seems to explain why there are so many problems with those bishops and the priests ordained through that secondary lineage.

Is it possible that all the evils traditionalists have experienced in the chapels served by Carmonite clergy might just be attributable to the absence of the charism of orders?

We don't like to say it, but the Blunderer (appearing under the nom emprunté "Peregrinus" in 1983) may have for once been right when he wrote of the Thuc line:

Can we really take all this seriously and suppose that the “bishops” involved in such goings-on are the future of the Church? Impossible. Even to refer to them as “traditional bishops” lends too much respectability to the whole business, which is, in this writer’s opinion, very disrespectable indeed.


One theme which dominates the affair from beginning to end is a gross and dangerous lack of prudence regarding the transmission of Apostolic Succession – a matter in which the slightest lack of imprudence is inadmissible. St. Paul reminds us: “Lay not hands lightly on any man” – he does not say: “Lay hands quickly on anyone.”

From our understanding of that now-embarrassing monograph, Two Bishops in Every Garage, the judgment seems to have been principally directed to the Carmona sub-lineage. If there's even the minutest probability of success in the infinite monkey theorem, then surely this erring pseudo-scholar could have made one correct assertion in some 40 or so years of banging randomly (and erroneously) away at a keyboard.

We Readers are not well versed in the Thuc controversy, but we invite anyone out there who is to contact us with any information they might have about the interesting thesis that only the Carmona line my be vitiated. That would go a long way to explain how one of these Carmonite priests failed to consecrate, why so many others can behave as badly as they do, and why the Carmonite "bishops" are the laughing stock of the traditional world.


7 comments:

  1. Consecration of Bps. Carmona and Zamora took place at Toulon on the 17th of October according to the "Pontificale Romanum" (Ratisbonae, Romae etc., 1908, S. 520 ff.), exactly the same copy was used for Mgr. Guerard, in the same chapel.

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  2. Thanks for the information. BTW, do you know of any written account from eyewitnesses?

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    1. Dr. Heller in Germany will certainly know more on the subject, even though I could not find a direct testimony from those consecrations. Interesting note:
      Abbé Bruno Schaeffer, who was ordained by Archbishop Thuc AFTER the consecrations, is working in the SSPX without any reordination.

      Adresses:

      Prieuré
      Notre-Dame-de-la-Sainte-Espérance
      Abbé Bruno Schaeffer
      58220 COULOUTRE
      +33 3 86 39 30 70

      Dr. Eberhard Heller
      Riedhofweg 4
      D-82544 Egling
      Germany
      heller_einsicht@hotmail.com
      or:
      eberhard-heller@gmx.net

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  3. There is a very simple & tactile reason why the Thuc consecrations are, at the very least, illicit. Archbishop Thuc knowingly consecrated a notorious and public homosexual named Jean Laborie. Thuc knew he was a homosexual, as Rama Coomaraswamy told him and told others that he told him. By consecrating Laborie, Thuc automatically excommunicated himself in the most severe way. We must have nothing to do with his consecrations due to this.

    This is a fact that people like Cekada and Derksen completely gloss over. They won't even mention it if they don't have to. It gets one line in Derksen's "thorough" analysis. They simply needed a bishop and compromised their consciences to get one.

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  4. @ Anonymous [Jan 14, 2012 07:09 AM]

    "This is a fact that people like Cekada and Derksen completely gloss over."

    Yeah, like Gebel & Gaye glossed over Petko's heavy petting of the Seminarians and attempted to oust Father Ramolla, and like how Toth here is making slanderous insinuations against Bishop Carmona.

    Give up Toth. You have everything to lose if you continue this foolishness.

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  5. Not a single word about Carmona in the above.

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  6. In the past, Bishop Paul Petko did a heck of lot more than just "heavy petting" with seminarians.

    http://thetruthaboutbishoppaulpetko.blogspot.com/

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