Saturday, March 10, 2018

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS


Arma virumque cano ("Arms and the man I sing")Virgil

Whenever there's an "episcopal consecration" in Tradistan, we cringe when our British, Continental, and South American friends kid us about the infamous American habit of plundering others' coats of arms. Our acquaintances aim their barbs not only at the lawless assumption of armorial bearings by bamboozlers who are not bishops of the Roman Catholic Church but also against crudely aspirational goofballs' usurping ancient tokens of gentility on the grounds of a shared surname with a grantee of English arms, who in all likelihood was never a forebear, not even by way of birth on the other side of the blanket.

The Blast in the Morass occasioned another bout of ribbing, this time far less playful owing to the risibly naïve pretense of the description of Junior's DIY heraldic achievement (ROTFL) on pp. II and III of the event's program. However, before we direct our attention to the hideously rococo salmagundi pictured above and its companion valentine to the Clone's last name, we'll first deal with the unrelievable armorial disability attached to the Tradistani religious buccaneers.*

UNARMED BUT STILL DANGEROUS

Ecclesiastical heraldic legislation, which emanates from the Holy See, is a special part of the internal positive law of the Church, wherein it enjoys a special place, for such legislation expressly and clearly identifies an individual's position in the hierarchy by marking rank and dignity. Moreover, it is founded on the dogmatic order, being granted exclusively to the ecclesiastical state, which condition derives from (lawful) ordination or consecration and the exercise of an authentic ecclesiastical office.

Thus, inasmuch as the Tradistanis were illicitly ordained/consecrated outside the Church and accordingly have received no commission from her, they consequently have no jurisdiction or authority. Insofar as they therefore possess no personal or intrinsic right to ecclesiastical insignia (e.g., miter, crozier), their use of emblems of ecclesiastical dignity and office, which they do not possess, is gravely unlawful, not to say patently unnecessary.

Moreover, as a result of their ecclesial position, the sedes won't submit to the rulings of the Congregation of Divine Worship (the successor to the Sacred Congregation of Rites, which had the competence and duty to repress any abuse [see c. 253.1, 1917 CCL]). From the many examples we've seen of their arms, including the above, they must have never forwarded their designs to the Collegio Araldico to determine whether they violated any heraldic rules and/or good taste, as Pope St. Pius X required of new bishops. But in fairness, the counts, nobles, knights, and other swells who compose the college most likely would have consigned, with a very upper-crust sneer, these New-World bumpkins' applications to the round file.

Notwithstanding the defense for receiving illicit holy orders during the ongoing crisis, traditional Catholics must acknowledge that only the Church, insofar as she is a visible, hierarchical, and juridically perfect society, has the right to institute dignities, establish new offices, and confer upon their holders insignia of honor and marks of dignity. Consequently, the mission-less, Tradistani non-clergy, in the eyes of the Church, must necessarily have no right to assume ecclesiastical arms.  If they had an ounce of decency, they would discard their misappropriations at once.


A FAREWELL TO ARMS

Turning now to the gushing paean offered in homage to Junior's surname, found at the beginning of the "consecration's" booklet-length service paper, ** let's evaluate its content in the light of heraldic practice.

As soon as we began to read the program note on Junior's coat of arms, we knew the author, one of the Swampland fake "nuns," was in way over her head. Her very first words assert the Kid's arms are based "on the family crest," and again at the conclusion she writes, "The motto Fiat Voluntas Dei (May the Will of God be Done)... appears on the family crest...." (Emphases ours.)

A very inauspicious beginning and end for the fan letter — second only to the howling violation of the basic rule of composition of arms, the Rule of Tincture, which forbids placement of a color on a color. You can see the howler for yourself above: Azure a saltire engrailed sable!!!  Such arms are called armes fausses ("a false coat of arms") or armes pour enquérir  ("a coat of arms to be investigated"). ***

As Marvin Grosswirth wrote in The Heraldry Book, "It is a clear mark of heraldic ignorance when someone uses the term 'crest' when referring to a coat of arms. Beware of heraldic merchants offering to sell you a 'family crest.'" A crest, according to J.P. Brooke-Little, Clarenceux King of Arms, is "an hereditary device, modeled onto the top of the helm and part of an achievement of arms." It is so called because it crests the helmet.

In The Oxford Guide to Heraldry, T. Woodcock, the incumbent Garter Principal King of Arms, and J. Robinson, Maltravers Herald Extraordinary, bemoan "the indiscriminate use of the word 'crest' to describe armorial bearings when anything but the crest is intended." Bringing home their point with a skewering critique of hopeless souls like our perplexed priory princess, they bitingly add, "The crest is only the part of the design on top of the helmet, but despite the logic of a crest like that of a bird being worn on the head people remain muddled."

But the problems with the program's puff-piece are greater than terminological. The "nun" goes on to reference the coat of arms of a family that shares Junior's surname (and perhaps her own?) without adducing any proof of the Kid's descent in an unbroken male-line from the ancestor for whom the coat of arms referenced was first recorded. Worth noting here is the advice found in the Society of Genealogists' Information Leaflet 15:
Armorial bearings do not appertain to all persons of a given surname but belong to and identify members of one particular family. Coats of arms and crests are a form of property and may rightfully be used only by the male-line descendants of the individual to whom they were first granted or allowed....
Unfortunately, over the centuries, many families have simply assumed arms and crests belonging to other families of the same name, usually without authority and without demonstrating any relationship between the families.... The erroneous and widespread practice of adopting the arms of a family of the same surname (extracted in most cases from one of the printed armorials listing the arms of families alphabetically) is much to be deplored. It detracts from the basic purpose of coats of arms and crests, which is to provide hereditary symbols by which particular families may be identified.
Coats of arms, you, see, do not belong to anyone who happens to bear the same surname as that of an armigerous ancestor of another family. Only those individuals, cautions Burke's General Armory, "who can deduce descent from an ancestor whose armorial bearings have been acknowledged by one of the Visitations [by heralds from the College of Arms] are entitled to carry those arms by right of inheritance."****

The bottom line here is that an individual must substantiate he is descended from someone whose right to bear arms has been admitted before we begin to give credence to his personal claim. In this day of easy Internet access to all manner of squirrelly "family crests," absent proof from a claimant, we should be doubly skeptical of all assertions, especially those coming from Americans. No substantiation, no assent. And it's more than a social or civil matter. "Under no circumstances," wrote Henry McCloud near the beginning of the chapter on ecclesiastical heraldry in his Clerical Dress and Insignia, "should a prelate make use of a coat of arms which belongs to a family other than his own without proper brisure."

Putting aside the ersatz sister's dearth of proof and raft of heraldically imprecise terminology, a dissection of which would render this post unreadable for both its length and complexity, we conclude by noting the bulk of her cheerleading effort busies itself with the symbolism of the charges and tinctures.  "The gold lion symbolizes courage"; "The Saint Andrew's cross...is indicative of suffering for the Faith and of perseverance. The black color of the cross signifies constancy"; "The star is the emblem of our Lady"; "The gold is the symbol of love"; "The shield is of blue lapis to honor Our Lady."

While that twaddle about mystical significations may sound nice and pious to your garden-variety, bug-eyed sede cultling, such "ridiculous fancies," as Joseph Edmondson called them as far back as 1780, are out of keeping with the spirit of the Church in matters armorial. Citing the American ecclesiastical heraldist Pierre de Chaignon la Rose, John Nainfa wrote in his Costume of Prelates of the Catholic Church According to Roman Etiquette:
To avoid mistakes, it is well to start out with the principle that a coat-of-arms is not and needs not be symbolical. A coat-of-arms is only a distinct personal mark or sign. Any or every sort of drawing cannot be used as a heraldic bearing; it must conform to the laws of Heraldry in regard to shape, colors, disposition, etc.; but a "meaning" is not necessary. Asking the meaning of a coat-of-arms is a sure mark of heraldic ignorance....
We would add that overtly assigning to charges and tinctures specific moral or spiritual characteristics or indirectly imputing the symbolized virtues to the bearer underscores that mark of ignorance.*****

In this study of Junior's armorial bearings, it is more than clear that what we have is Play-Church and Play-Heraldry. There is nothing of substance in Tradistan. The whole thing is bogus. The cult masters respect no rules. The whole messy, disedifying business amounts to a pre-adolescent parody of the divinely ordered society of the Church. All these self-promoting, glory-seeking, lawlessly mitered, illicit armigers are useless as well as fake. The pious traditional Catholic can only conclude there is no warrant for this capricious multiplication of unneeded, unwanted, make-believe prelates, who prey upon the laity for prestige, esteem, and financial resources to which they have no right and which they do not deserve.



GET REAL! SEND THESE IMPOSTORS TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE.

* The underlying juridical rationale of the ensuing discussion of the cult masters' inherent disqualification to bear ecclesiastical arms is based on the 1978 Italian translation of Abp. Bruno Bernard Heim's Heraldry in the Catholic Church: Its Origin, Customs, and Laws, pp. 43-45. Much of our text is either a close paraphrase or direct translation.  Heim (1911-2003), possessor of a doctorate of canon law from the Gregorian University, was a celebrated ecclesiastical armorist of the last century.

** A scan of the 67-page (!!!) service paper is available here for download.

*** Nainfa writes in Costume of Prelates of the Catholic Church According to Roman Etiquette, "A rule too often violated in making a coat-of-arms for a Prelate, is that 'color should never be used upon color...." In A Complete Guide to HeraldryFox-Davies admonishes:
One of the earliest rules one learns in the study of armory is that colour cannot be placed upon colour.... Now this is a definite rule which must practically always be rigidly observed.
****If the "nun" is referring to this illustration as the Kid's "family crest" (LOL), then in fairness we'll have to admit that the appropriation of the saltire is virtually unnoticeable: the blazon for that shield is simply Sable a satire engrailed or, while Joey's overcrowded arms would demand much more of the blazoner's art and patience. Abp. Heim instructs us:
Another frequent error among ecclesiastics is that of having overly cluttered arms. The oldest, purest, and most beautiful are always those [that are] the simplest. The over complexity of a shield confers on it a very artificial look; instead of a clear and distinct blazon, one gets a mediocre rebus that represents the personal history of the possessor. [Ed. Translated literally from the Italian edition.]
***** Where do you start with someone who, in describing the shield of arms, writes this?
The Saint Andrew's cross, also known as the black saltire, consists of two diagonal lines in the form of an X; it is indicative of suffering for the Faith and of perseverance. The black color of the cross signifies constancy. The gold lion symbolizes courage, strength, and fearlessness; it also represents Christ who is the "Lion of Judah." To the ... emblems of the cross and the lion has been added, in the upper portion of the shield, a star shining above a storm-tossed ship. The star is the emblem of our Lady who is the Star of the Sea. It is she who guides the soul, symbolized by the ship, in its journey over the waves of tribulation. Saint Thomas explains that etc., etc. for a few more paragraphs of heraldic baloney.
How much more tasteful — and impressive  — would it have been to provide a blazon proper for the complete achievement, perhaps followed by a no-nonsense "translation," leaving all the mystical puffery out. But without hoodoo, Tradistan has nothing to offer.

109 comments:

  1. I just read this week's bulletin from Danny. The usual sappy drivel. But, what on earth would constitute a ,"killer dinner", that is dropped off for them?
    Then, due to the ,McFathers, ( such a belittling name!), traveling he could only say Morning Mass. Followed by the words, "BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY IS".
    Why not charge for parking? Why not have an entry fee? Naturally one would have their hand stamped too. Pay toilets!!!
    So much cash be done to keep this money grubber happy.

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    1. Yes, that aside about "where the money is" revealed his true thinking.

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  2. Exactly my sentiment earlier this week when watching ECB President Mario Draghi perform at the quarterly ECB rate decision press conference (European Central Bank) and the reporters.

    Long-suffering mellow Europeans with the very same ancestors as European Americans ... how different are the descendants now. Several world wars fought on their own turf and a much longer history, European reporters and Draghi himself are irrevocably a separate 'class' from Americans.

    As I understand the history the American Catholic Bishops were at odds in various ways with Rome from the beginning. They presented a problem to Rome.

    Loved your analysis of such matters as jurisdiction but will revisit as am too tired as usual, on a Saturday early evening.

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    1. Thanks.

      Tradistan is a masquerade party everyone should avoid.

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  3. They tried way too hard in designing the coat of arms...

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    1. That is absolutely right! They aimed for a show, not substance.

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    2. You should run it by Matthew Alderman, who designs coats of arms. His website is http://www.matthewalderman.com.

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    3. I think that Junior’s “coat of arms” was either 1) modeled after something found in a Cracker Jacks box, or 2) it was made (with Lego pieces) by a class of kindergartners. It looks like a hub cap from some hillbilly’s car! Why don’t they just add some fluorescent “field” colors, and/or some multi-colored, blinking “marquee lights” on top? That would be a nice touch!

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  4. Sgg has a photo/video of the consecration. There's no way there were 300 people there. The pews are not filled.

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  5. Funny that, Reader, I took the money comment as a metaphor for best time of the day for attendance.

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  6. So did we.

    What we found interesting was the Freudian slip. There are many possible expressions to indicate the ideal hour, yet he chose a monetary idiom. His relentless drive for increasingly scarce cash became conscious without meeting resistance.

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    1. Exactly. But since the Bishop's Corner is usually macabre why not Freudian slips as well. Sorry, after researching SGG on my own, it was no slip.

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    2. You may well be right! It was probably his way of telling the Gertries they have to pay up.

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  7. Well it wouldn't necessarily be a 'Freudian slip'. It could be argued that it was just his preferred choice of expression on this occasion. I don't quite understand why you think they're so strapped for cash? 3-4 K per week surely goes a long way in somewhere as economically depressed as SW Ohio?

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    1. 11:34

      True. He may well have been directly telling the cultings they've got to pay to pray.

      We say he's hard pressed for cash for two reasons: (1) he's constantly poormouthing about lack of funds, and (2) $3-4 K is not enough to sustain that operation.

      Expenses are high there. Don't forget, they've got to pay the "Principal's" salary, a mortgage, mounting upkeep costs for the shabbily constructed facility, food for the "clergy," a hefty fuel bill, and travel expenses that aren't always defrayed by the communities Dan visits. If you're a regular reader of the "Corner," you'll recall his comments about all the deferred maintenance.

      They are in trouble, and it will get worse as more die off or leave. Since the 2009 $GG $chool $candal, many people have changed their wills to exclude the cult and its masters from their wills, so future cash prospects from an aging community are slim, especially since rightful heirs are consulting lawyers about breaking any will that names him or his cult as a beneficiary.

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    2. The saying "That is where the money is", is credited to Willie Sutton. He was a very successful bank robber. Hmm.
      It may have been that a journalist put those words in his mouth. Still, robbers use it to this day.
      Also, those who chided PL for having a Panera sandwich failed to take note of the mentioned, Killer Lenten meals!

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    3. Stahl-Rock
      They were chiding them for far more than consuming a Panera sandwich. And how do you know these people didn't take note of the killer Lenten meal? And do you even know how Bp Dolan is defining killer Lenten meals?

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    4. 4:06

      One time during Lent when Dannie was in Mexico City, he bragged about wolfing down "copious quantities of meat" at an Argentine-themed steakhouse. Maybe that's what he meant by a "killer" Lenten meal!

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    5. Right, Reader.lol

      Somehow I don't think the ladies at SGG would be providing lashings of flesh meat to the clergy of SGG during Lent. I'd suspect it's far more likely he's just being gracious by throwing them a compliment.

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    6. Orrrrrrrr.... maybe the fare was so outrageously greasy and starchy that it literally was a "killer."

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    7. What is it with your hatred of starch. Seriously?

      Is it aristocratic snobbery?

      Are you a dietician?

      Know something about this prime source of complex carbohydrates, which should constitute the majority of calories in the human diet, that we don't?

      You also have revealed hatred of legumes and cruicifers in the past.

      What ARE we supposed to eat during lent?

      Seriously. I've been to many church potlucks in the trado-sphere, including SSPX, FSSP, and other various Indult groups. Their food was equal or more often worse than anything I had at SGG.

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    8. No, we don't hate complex carbohydrates. They're necessary. But we do know about the dangers of unhealthy hillbilly food overloaded with carbs and saturated fats.

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  8. I think once Bp's Sanborn & Dolan pass away,Bp.Ramolla will step up & become the kingpin.
    He offers a beautiful reverent Holy Mass & is a confident public speaker.
    Add his missions in Europe and you have a well seasoned experienced Bishop who benefits from not being in the limelight.

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    1. 1:31 PM

      Dannie and Not-So Big Don are already finished: they just haven't read the memo.

      Certainly the Ham Sandwich will outstrip the inert Jellyfish in his reach, and the Kid won't offer any competition since we predict he and his boggy cult will turn inward.

      But Rambozo won't become the "metropolitan" of Sedelandia by any stretch of the imagination. First, he's got the problem of his "priestly" orders from "One-Hand Dan" and his "episcopal" orders in the Slupski subline. As the years pass, those liabilities can only grow. Second, there are now other "bishops" coming to the forefront, many originally trained in N.O. seminaries and accredited colleges/universities/institutes, who have multiple valid lineages plus experience in the "System." They are the ones to whom traditional Catholics will look.

      Sorry, but in the future, a former assistant at a garden store will not inspire the necessary confidence or be able to guide serious "clergy" or laity. The Ramster will be lucky to keep his storefront operation in Mason, OH. And those Mickey-Mouse European "apostolates" are a joke.

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    2. There is no such thing as a kingpin in trad world. If 200 additional trad parishes popped up around the country tomorrow this would only make trad priests happy.

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    3. That's true enough. But some have aspired mightily to be the kingpin.

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    4. I have no problem with Bp.Dolan's holy orders.
      (I don't know Bp.Dolan so it's not personal)
      Bp.Slupski was ordained in 1961 and consecrated by Bp.McKenna in 1999.
      Sacramental Theology is very specific and simple regarding the conferral of Holy Orders.

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    5. I also have no problems with Bp. Dolan's orders, and let's not forget that The Reader has NEVER given the name of even one witness to the so-called one handed conferral.

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    6. The theory, yes, is relatively simple, though not without its complexities, as any decent volume on sacramental theology will evidence. The practice, however, is not so easy, for there's "many a slip 'twixt cup and lip."

      The problem with Dannie is his one-handed ordination to the priesthood, attested by eyewitnesses and well known for decades before PL tackled the issue. The "theory" tells us that, after 1947, the matter of the sacrament is the imposition of hands.

      A problem for others is that one bishop may confer the episcopate validly upon another, but that second bishop may not in turn confer orders validly on others owing to defects, say, of eyesight or learning or care or intention. For instance, he may make grave errors in executing the rite, and thus, although he himself may be valid, fail to confer validly. Likewise, he may have purposely withheld the intention to do what the Church wants owing to a secret, fanatical desire to destroy her.

      As for Dannie, whatever some authors have said, the Church has never determined whether a one-handed conferral of orders is valid or not. Thus, there is doubt about the sacrament, and a doubtful sacrament is no sacrament at all. He should have taken the safer course and sought conditional ordination and consecration. Other "bishops" have.

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    7. 11:05

      There is more than one eyewitness, and we've already explained why disclosure is not necessary.

      But we'll repeat ourselves: Our purpose has always been to motivate Dannie to seek conditional orders for the spiritual welfare of the unlucky souls who have attached themselves to him.

      Dannie knows what happened in 1976, and he's the only one we're addressing.

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    8. You've spoken publicly.

      That explains precisely nothing. Still waiting for the name of at least one witness.

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    9. No. You purport to know all about it, and you are not shy when it comes to imparting information. I'm asking you a very basic question. Give us the name of at least one witness to Bp. Dolan's supposed one-handed ordination? That should be very easy for you to answer.

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    10. In 1990,various religious sign a letter verifying
      Fr.Dolan received a one handed ordination from Bp.Lefebvre circa 1976.
      Many of the men who signed this letter were in the same religious order as Fr.Dolan for roughly 14 yrs.
      Why didn't they have a problem with his orders between
      1976-1990?
      One of the "witnesses" who signed his name to this letter was 12 yrs old in 1976.
      The ordination took place in Switzerland while the 12 yr old was living in Kentucky.
      I don't know Bp.Dolan so this isn't personal.
      The entire
      "one handed ordination" is ridiculous.

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    11. So,according to you, Bp.Slupski doesn't know how to properly consecrate Bishops or ordain Priests?
      He's been retired for a few yrs now as he is old and not in good health.
      I literally know people who have been in contact with Bp.Slupski since the early 1980's.
      Every one of them told me before 1999,Fr Slupski was a classically trained Redemptorist.(pre-V2 seminary formation)
      Why and how would he suddenly lose his knowledge,training,and formation upon consecrating Bishops & ordaining Priests?
      You all incessantly talk about the pre-1965 formation & education of priests in seminaries.
      Bp.Slupski was ordained in 1961 yet you all blast him as incompetent.
      This Sounds like a double standard.

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    12. 12:27

      Except it is not ridiculous. It is of absolute importance for the cure of souls.

      The reason for the nine men's belated concern is that after many years they had discovered, in the opinion of two authors, that "sacerdotal ordinations done with one hand are dubious."

      Please note that the signers never represented themselves as witnesses. Most of the SSPX knew of the one-handed ordination. It was part of institution's history, as certain as its founding by the archbishop. That's why the signers explicitly stated as a fact, "your ordination was done with one hand" without having to affirm they were present at Dan's "ordination."

      You may not have been alive when the attack on Pearl Harbor occurred, but you can still confidently affirm that it happened.

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    13. 11:57

      Yes, it would be very easy. We have the email.

      But since our sole aim is to persuade Dannie to seek conditional orders, we find no need to disclose names. Dannie knows. Seeing that our purpose is not to persuade you or anyone else on the outside, it is of no matter whether you believe the well-known account or not.

      But if you must have a name, then go ask Dannie.

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    14. Pearl Harbor has extensive photographic and motion picture evidence available.
      An ordination within a small religious order in Switzerland circa 1976 is a completely different matter.
      This is from the same men (SSPV) who deny Thuc line parishioners
      Holy Communion/Confession yet gladly accept their tithe.
      "We can't allow you to receive sanctifying grace yet we gladly accept your money."
      I wish the SSPV blessings and success however inconsistencies usually multiply.

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    15. Here's the letter:
      https://www.scribd.com/doc/246049660/CONFERRAL-OF-ORDERS-BY-ONE-HAND

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    16. 1:13 PM

      But even without visual confirmation, you wouldn't deny the attack's occurrence if you had learned of it from a trustworthy source, written or oral. In this case, pictures are merely additional confirmation of what you know to be true.

      Thus by no means is an ordination within a small religious community a different matter. Because it was so small, everybody knew everybody else; information flowed freely and its veracity never doubted. No one needed photographic proof. Plus remember that the eyewitnesses also talked to other members of the group, who passed along what they had learned.

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    17. 12:38

      Based on what Europeans have told us and what we have learned from other sources, we cannot accept your assumptions. We will not counter them one by one since this blog is devoted to exposing the scum of Tradistan. You might want to investigate the matter further on your own.

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  9. Hey, Reader

    Now that a new era has dawned in Sedelandia (i.e. the Era of The Kid), don't you think that Big Don should have a new, perhaps a more appropriate "title"?

    How about Diminished Don? Wanna make it official on this blog?

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    1. Great idea! We'll even add it to the list under the MIMI PERSONAE page.

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  10. ...but also against crudely aspirational goofballs' usurping ancient tokens of gentility on the grounds of a shared surname with a grantee of English arms, who in all likelihood was never a forebear, not even by way of birth on the other side of the blanket.

    I can make no claim to being the brightest candle on the traddie candelabra, and actually don’t want to be such! But, if I’ve read your 3/10/18 message even semi correctly, I am under the impression Bishop Joey is making a claim to being a descendant of aristocracy? And the other sede bishops as well? This then explains the “family crest?” The various symbols on the actual “shield” are of their choosing then? What am I missing here?

    BTW, I just don’t have the mental energy, nor the time, to pursue my own research and study of this matter. I trust P L for accurate research and reporting of the sedes. Many thanks!

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    1. Technically, if anyone asserts "family arms," then one makes a claim to descend from gentility.

      As for ecclesiastics, there is no demand for or presumption of gentle origins. As Abp. Heim says, "The Church permits to all her priests access to the most elevated offices without regard to their origins."

      Hence a real prelate is free to choose whatever charges and tinctures he desires, provided they obey heraldic law and conform to good taste. (Real priests may do the same, for they may bear ecclesiastical arms, too.)

      Prelates who descend from aristocratic/princely families may incorporate elements from the family arms, but they may choose altogether different bearings to suit their state. Under no circumstances may an ecclesiastic incorporate elements from family arms to which he is not entitled.

      Re: Junior's arms: our problem is that the "nun" referenced a same-named family's arms but did not provide proof that the Kid was a male-descendant of that particular family. If he truly is, then he may rightfully assert descent from gentility and add family devices to his bearings.

      But in Joey's and every sede "bishop's" case, whether he can or can't claim a gentleman ancestor is beside the point, really. He is not a lawful bishop or priest commissioned by the Roman Catholic Church and therefore may not assume ecclesiastical arms. Period!

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    2. Thank you Reader March 12, 2018 at 4:20 PM, for your response. I believe we are on the same page now. And, I fully understand now why the sede bishops have no right to a coat of arms.

      Speaking of that, I find Bishop Joey’s coat of arms to be rather disconcerting, perhaps inspired by images from a Rorschach test?

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    3. Could be. They are hideous. When we looked at them, one us saw a fat, blood-sucking leech. Another saw a carbuncle.

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  11. My Gosh! This coat of arms bears all the foreboding allure of the House of Dracula.

    What is that saying about the devil being in the details?

    There should be a beware sign put on that shield, and it should read, "Run Don't Walk.."

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    1. Yes, the black on blue, besides violating the Rule of Tincture, makes for a grim achievement, doesn't it? Looks like a prop out of one of the Hammer Horror flicks starring Christopher Lee.

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  12. The blue part is in the shape of a skull. A bit eerie.

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    1. The whole thing looks like a failed attempt to mimic the shield of Pius XII.

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  13. Reader stated:

    "The whole thing looks like a failed attempt to mimic the shield of Pius XII."


    Failed? Maybe not! Perhaps they are trying to deliver a subliminal suggestion, that JOEY THE KID is the true line of succession of St.Pius XII.

    However, I do admit The Coat of Arms looks like some giant insect from Jupiter.

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    1. That sounds like a very good theory. It certainly may explain the black and white photo of the Boy "Bishop's" first pontifical Low Mass.

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    2. Pius XII was a modernist disaster,NOT a Saint!

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  14. I couldn't but recall that sable upon azure is not entirely unheard of.

    Of course, the only example I actually recall offhand is the arms of a churchman by the name of Wojtyla.

    Well, before +Heim urged a change from sable to or upon W's change of residence from Krakow to Rome, that is.

    An omen, perhaps, of future plans?

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  15. Heim opposed letters on arms, but allowed it in Wojtyła's papal bearings, citing Polish tradition. Armes fausses are not unheard of, but they usually occur in Continental heraldry, not English, which is the gold standard.

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  16. 4:09

    You will notice that Wojtyła's unusual papal arms, however, still show a metal upon a color, and thus preserve the Rule of Tincture. The blazon is:

    Azure a cross or, the upright placed to dexter and the crossbar enhanced, in sinister base an M of the same.

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    1. Yes, Abp. Heim told JPII about the rule violation and persuaded him to allow the change for his papal arms.

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  17. If sedevacantists are not the Catholic Church, who are the Church?

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    1. 9:32

      We have too many different opinions around here to give you a definitive answer. But the one thing we ALL agree on — including our sedes — is that Tradistan is not the Catholic Church.

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  18. Could you give me some of your opinions on it?

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  19. The Reader March 14, 2018 at 10:06 AM

    That is worrisome, that you cannot say where the Church can be found.

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    1. We are speaking as a body. The members individually express differing opinions. None is unique, since each reflects one of the several different schools of current traddie thinking, with the exception of the patently mistaken notion that Tradistan is the Church. We all know better than that. One look at cult-master behavior is proof that such a proposition is false.

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    2. What differing opinions?

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    3. You can find 'em all online, where they're discussed in greater detail than is possible here.

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  20. Just another simple opinion:
    Novus Ordo and Traddie-ville share one thing in common. They are both Power Hungry!

    If one looks at Rome, one can see all the remnants of what was, and yet they can not find the Faith.
    If one looks into Traddie-ville, you will not find unity=ONE. There goes one of the Four Marks of the Church.

    So where does one look?

    I guess we must do what the Japanese did for 250 plus years, Keep The Faith from within.

    These times have all been foretold, and now we must survive in a world where the darkness is enveloping the light.
    Therefore, if one chooses to attend the mass of Traddie-ville to sustain their faith, that's ok. Just don't get sucked into the cult mentality that you are the elite, and they are the Church; hence outside of them there is no salvation. That could be a judgment that could be cast upon oneself, as we do not have the power from "THE CHURCH" to declare it.

    When Rome lost the four marks of the Church, so did we, by virtue of breaking from Rome. All that we were supposed to do was to Keep The Faith, and not make up a new one.

    Personally, I would rather break from Rome and keep my faith, than to be considered one in union with a heresy.

    Just because the mad naked prince prances about the town thinking his raiment is regal, does not give you the right to say he is not a prince. You can say he is crazy and naked, but a prince he still is.

    Now I ask you?

    Who is the crazy one? The mad prince, or the village idiots hailing and following him in glee?

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    1. Just one thing: your mad prince was born to a princely family, so his affliction doesn't change his royal lineage. So, of course, we'd never deny his royal status.

      But your analogy doesn't apply to a lowborn nut case who wildly calls himself a prince and expects others to believe it without proof of noble descent.

      Thus we deny the Tradistanis because they have no pedigree.

      Now, to your question: If the Tradistanis know it is all just a big act, then it is the village idiots who are crazy. Those Tradistanis are just crazy like a fox. If they think they're the real thing, then they AND the village idiots are howling mad.

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    2. I get it - barking mad like someone who thinks that reciting an act of perfect contrition suffices to remit mortal sin, even if one has no plans to go to confession afterwards, like you believe.

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    3. You need a valid priest to go to confession, and then there's the question of jurisdiction, which has been treated fully on one of our links. BTW, you should do a little more reading on the matter.

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    4. No. I don't need to do anything but go to a valid priest for confession. You can't seem to grasp that epikeia overcomes the jurisdiction difficulty. You need to realize what a perilous position you've put yourself in.

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    5. But how do you know nowadays who's valid?

      And we grasp epieikeia far better than you could ever hope to, for we know its limitations. Help yourself out and study Riley's The History, Nature and Use of EPIKEIA in Moral Theology.

      BTW, even rightly interpreted, E won't make an invalid impostor valid.

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    6. You think you have a better grasp on epikeia. You err.

      How do I know who is valid? Are you serious?

      Who attends the Mass of a priest who hasn't been thoroughly researched? I could rattle off name after name of priests (una cum and non una cum) that I know are most certainly valid. Why do you think that is an issue?

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    7. No, we are correct. We know our knowledge is superior by the very way you phrased your first comment. You think E is a magic wand.

      Many trads attend the Mass of priests who aren't certainly valid. Witness those who assist at $GG and its affiliates.

      It's obvious why it's an issue: If the "priest" isn't valid, then you are adoring bread.

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  21. Sedevacantists, SSPX, Vatican II Church (FSSP, Novus Ordo, Eastern Rites), and Home-Aloners. There are no others.

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  22. Three thoughts onthe coat of arms:

    1) I looked at some of the coats of arms of pre-V2 prelates. This one doesn't even compare

    2) Why couldn't they have used a simple shield instead of all the fancy decoration? Had they done so, it might have looked a little bit better.

    3) After a few days' reflection, I finally came up with the right word to describe it : kitschy.

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  23. The perfect word to describe all the cult's endeavors!

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  24. Anonymous March 14, 2018 at 4:20 PM
    Stated:
    "...You need to realize what a perilous position you've put yourself in".

    I agree with you that a valid priest is a valuable commodity these days especially for the sacraments. However, administering the sacraments is one thing, claiming to be the true Church, and ruling accordingly is quite another.
    If these men want to rule using epikeia then they should seek a good canon lawyer, and find out all the intricate details involved in randomly declaring Epikeia, and there are many.

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    1. The problem for these men, as we see it, is that there are no canon lawyers in Sedelandia — good or bad. We doubt they would swallow their pride and consult someone with the proper credentials/training. Still, your reply is correct.

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    2. What canon lawyers do you recommend?

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    3. You might try Edward Peters (http://www.canonlaw.info).

      None of us have had need of his services, but we know of others who did and were impressed.

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  25. I said it once and I will say it again. Thank God for this site.

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  26. Can't you spell epikeia? Why do you call it "E"?

    No. Your knowledge is deficient and your synapses aren't firing correctly. WHY IS IT AN ISSUE WHEN IT'S EASY TO DETERMINE WHICH PRIESTS ARE VALID? NOT THAT HAVING PRIESTS THAT AREN'T VALID ISN'T AN ISSUE, KNUCKLEHEAD.

    I don't adhere to your one-handed lunacy. Ergo, SGG priests are perfectly fine. So are MHT priests and those of the CMRI. You need to remember the golden rule: no sane person subscribes to your bs.

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    1. 8:45

      Just as we thought: You know nothing about epieikeia, not even the fact that there are many forms of the term, among which are epikeia, epicheia, epichia, epikeja, epikia, epikiia, epiqueia, epieicia, epiky in addition to our preferred form epieikeia .

      The reason we use that form is twofold: (1) it is the most accurate transliteration of the Greek ἐπιείκεια, ας, ἡ, and (2) it is the form we learned when we read Aristotle’s Ethica Nicomachea in the original at university. (Verify it yourself: V. 10, ll. 37-38, just under 1138a, Bywater’s OCT edition.)

      In view of the naked ignorance you demonstrated in your first sentence, this thread is terminated

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  27. So Reader you don't think Pivarunas is the King Pin of Sedeland.At least Ramolla went to real high school or did he?

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    1. Pivvy certainly has more chapels than the other cult masters have, but he isn't the Big Boss of Sedelandia because the others won't submit to him.

      We thought the Ham Sandwich may have attended a Realschule or a Hauptschule or a Gesamtschule. Whether he completed or not we don't know. We are almost 100% certain he did not attend a Gymnasium: Why would a graduate of a highly selective school for academically promising youth have been a garden-store worker before migrating to the pesthouse?

      Perhaps someone else knows more.

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  28. Who is the goof who does "consecrations" in english?Patrick Taylor?


    Which "bishop" does the bum at Albany,NY work with.Did you notice he and Ahern were not at the consecration of Selway.

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    1. 9:39

      We're pretty sure the Glenmont gadabout is not with Big Don, not after the kerfuffle over the Kid's "ordination" to the subdiaconate some years back! Maybe he uses the Jellyfish, if ever that's necessary (oils?).

      Yes, we couldn't find them or their buddy, Dennis the Menace, in any of the pix so far. We'd heard through the grapevine that there had been a rupture with Big Don over an incident in VA.

      PT wasn't the name reported to us. Our sources asked us not to reveal the name since the ceremony was private and they could be identified as the leakers.

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  29. Hey Pistrina,as you said several weeks ago you cannot see "Bishop" Pivarunas having another "Bishop" in CMRI.If he did,do you or some of the folk who read this site can give any names of his "priests' who might get the Miter?

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    1. We know so little about the inner workings of the CMRI that we're sure any guess would fall wide of the mark. Your question is best left to our readership.

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    2. Some of your readership realize it's one and the same disturbed person who keeps insinuating and inviting negative comments about Bp. Pivarunas and the CMRI. She has a distinctive digital footprint. Since she has wanted mothing to do with the CMRI for years, why is she so invested in making them a topic of conversation in the comments section from week to week? Must be her profound supernatural charity.

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    3. Maybe she wants to help people become free.

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    4. She ought to work on freeing herself of her own demons first. Believe me.

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  30. The Reader March 14, 2018 at 11:37 AM

    If someone asks you, for you as a Catholic, to inform them where the Church is to be found, you must have some conviction and be willing and able to to tell them.
    You can't just say we have opinions but we don't know. If you do not know, you need to find out.

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    1. 12:09

      We're sure each one here has his or her own opinion along with (possibly) varying degrees of certitude. But since that question is of no importance to our apostolate, we never ask it of each other. We will all say for certain, however, that the Church is not to be found in Tradistan.

      This is our final word on this subject.

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    2. Does that mean you’re done with all this nonsense? As I’ve said eti kai eti you are wasting yourselves on these Sede folks. Get back to Latin and Greek!

      Beware the Ides of March!

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    3. Well, at least we're done with that lost soul.

      For years and years, we, too, have been itching to get back to Latin and Greek, but that will have to wait for a little while, at least. The sede scum are on their last legs, so it shouldn't be too long.

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    4. The Church is found right where the books say it is to be found. The Church is composed of shepherds and the sheep. The sheep are generally easy to spot, the shepherds take a bit more work to figure out who they are, and in what dioceses they are teaching and ruling.

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    5. Gene March 15, 2018 at 6:35 PM

      Gene,
      Please inform us of just 3 or 4 dioceses in which true Catholic shepherds are teaching and ruling.

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    6. The only place to look is to the East for bishops that are actually teaching and ruling. The starting point is all of their bishops, as they all have maintained uncorrupted (despite minor changes in some) and certainly valid liturgical and sacramental rites.

      Obviously, those who are pertinacious and public heretics will lose their offices. I have yet to see even one case made against any of these men to charge them with heresy and to demonstrate pertinacity.

      So, in the interim, until I see evidence to the contrary, I believe all of these bishops of the 23 Eastern rites are the living Catholic hierarchy. If cases can be made against some of them, then we must remeber that some is not all. It must also be remembered that the entire Catholic hierarchy cannot fail. Some members must live on and remain in their offices. To argue otherwise is to argue that the Church has defected.

      Here is a chart with the breakdown of the rites: http://tradcath.proboards.com/thread/245/rites-catholic-church

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    7. Gene, if any of these Eastern rite bishops were to formally break from Francis and the V2 church precisely because they still do have the faith and realize that Rome has lost it, would you still recognize them as legitimately possessing apostolic succession? If so, how would that make them different from the Thuc and Mendez lines of sedevacantist bishops? It seems on the surface that you are ironicalky making union with the heretics a pre-condition for ecclesiastical legitimacy.

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    8. Once again,the Eastern Rites are using Novus Ordo "Bishops" for ordinations & consecrations!
      Simultaneously,Eastern Rite churches are using bi-ritual Novus Ordo presbyters for Divine Liturgy plus JP2 had Eastern Rite Holy Orders "modified" in 1990.
      I have yet to see a new & traditional rite of Eastern Holy Orders comparison.
      This isn't 1985 so please be careful when dealing with Eastern Rites.

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  31. Anonymous March 14, 2018 at 9:24 PM

    Asked:
    ..."At least Ramolla went to real high school or did he?

    He might have gone to a real high school in Germany, but the real high school did not give him a real diploma.

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  32. Anonymous March 14, 2018 at 8:45 PM
    Ignorantly stated:

    ..."You need to remember the golden rule: no sane person subscribes to your bs."

    I was never taught your golden rule in any Catholic School I attended either pre or post Vatican II. However, I was taught, " When in doubt leave it out!"

    It is a known fact that two hands did not tough the head of Dolan. Now if your sane reasoning tells you that the Matter does not Matter, then you keep pushing your non-Catholic sanity on some else. I for one would rather be considered insane than to swallow your notion of what constitutes a valid anything.

    BTW: What are your degrees in Greek and Latin?

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  33. Purely from an economic standpoint, why does California have 3 of the Cinci/Brooksville churches being serviced by 3 separate priests? Would it not make sense that one priest does each of the California missions, since they are only an hour and a half drive from each other? This seems to be a waste of resources and money to fly 2 of the priests into these places and not allow more missions to be serviced?

    It appears that financially, many of the decisions by these people are not economical. Flying Cekada to Brooksville every month, when they can teach through skype? Their own sisters have online schooling, yet they feel the need to send Cekada down each month?

    The vacations that some of the priests take seem a bit much, when they suggest that they are hurting for money. When an individual lay person is hurting for money, they don't go on vacation. If the money isn't there, or if house repairs are needed, the vacation is skipped that year.

    Yet, at the same time, both places are begging for more generosity with funds? Maybe if they used their funds more wisely, they would not be in constant need for additional funds.

    Speaking of funds, when Sanborn sold the land he held in Michigan, where did that money go? How about the money from the sale of the Columbus chapel and their building fund?

    Please give an update of the cemetery, school, and convent that Sanborn has discussed building in his newsletters. Also, and update of where the Cincinnati nuns will be living in the future?



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    1. All very pertinent observations and questions. Answers to some could only come from the cult masters themselves (like disposition of the Columbus money). Maybe our readership can help out.

      Re: the convent, school, and cemetery, we've heard virtually nothing for months, with the exception of one report that said there were money problems necessitating delays/rethinking.

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  34. Anon 4:41 am. What three CA churches are you referring to?

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