Saturday, August 22, 2015

SUMMER 2015 MAILAG 4

Editor's Note: To close out this summer series, here's a recent note we received:
Thank God for your blog. I don't want to criticize, but not all Gerties are the "slack jawed, bug eyed" mindless cult subhumans you describe. There are some good people down here with common sense who are not as blind or stupid as you think.  Some made big sacrifices to get to SGG, volunteered a lot but now understand what you blog about each week.  Believe me they are waiting for the right moment to leave. The problem is that so much is at stake in some families, specially with those with younger children. Just wanted you to know. Keep up the good work. We are praying for you.
Yes, we know personally there are some Gerties who hate the situation they're in at the infernal SW Ohio cult center. We truly sympathize with them and can understand their hesitation. (See our post of July 25, IT'S OK TO STAY AWAY.) At times, it's true our posts do sound as though we can't imagine there's anybody at SGG with a lick of sense. Let us here and now reassure everybody -- in particular the poor souls who are waiting for the right time to make their move -- that we stipulate some Gerties do not belong to the hateful undead.

Common sense says we have to. 

Statistically, it's impossible for every Gertie to be a cult zombie. Despite the cult's diminishing membership, the whole of the remainder can't fall in the area under the farthest tip of the intelligence curve's left-hand tail.  These people really don't need Pistrina to open their eyes: Dannie's "Bishop's (?) Corner" with its weekly clerical travelogue alone is sufficient to awaken the most trusting victim.

Just take a brief look at the expenses.

Monthly there are three, perhaps four, round-trip flights to Milwaukee, where His Profligacy once kept a priest permanently. Then there are the missions in Minnesota and North Dakota as well as the occasional visit to the chapel in Louisiana. Next there's Checkie's monthly trip to "teach" in the "seminary," and let's not forget Dannie's periodic "pilgrimages" to chic Santa Fe, New Mexico, and his winter holidays abroad in the sun. 

If you throw in the cost of rental cars or depreciation on the cult auto along with food and lodging, you've got a lot of dollars supporting clerical wanderlust. (Next time you read the bulletin, hop online and get estimates of airfare for all these venues: Boy, it really adds up!) Moreover, since it's unlikely that many of the small missions can cover the entire cost of the travel, you can bet the cash-strapped faithful get stuck with the tab for a sizable chunk of the monthly travel outlay. So, in addition to the scandal-ravaged "school" and its "principal," the flat-broke Gerties have to underwrite the "missions," too.

So long kids' college fund!

But seriously, now. We DO empathize -- because we've all had the same experience. When you encounter the SW Ohio-Brooksville cult for the first time, your senses are overloaded with the endless pageantry, paraliturgical activities, pious talk, and clerical self-promotion. If you came of age after Vatican II, you say to yourself, "This must be what it was really like back then." If  you're old enough to have come of age well before Vatican II, you say, "This must be what it was like back then, only it's been so long that I've forgotten." So you get involved, hoping your enthusiasm, financial sacrifice, and surrender of autonomy will help you belong to what seems at first blush to be a true Roman Catholic community.

Then, after the first few years, however, a disquieting unease settles on your doubtful mind, especially if you've worked closely with the cult "clergy." The chintzy veneer of ersatz Catholicism begins to flake and peel away. You now see things that aren't right. The clergy's cynical, condescending explanations ring hollow. These bloodsuckers, you begin to suspect, are in it for themselves. You learn to read the subtext in your friends'  guarded remarks, or you talk to others like you who confirm your suspicions with unsavory horror stories of their own.

You want to leave, but you don't know where you can go, especially if you've made a big sacrifice to be near the cult. Furthermore, you worry whether your children will lose their faith if you exit. Most importantly, you want to leave on your terms, with your head held high, and not frog-marched out as a doctrinal delinquent with your name plastered all over the Internet in a cult-master fit of non-Catholic peevishness.

At this stage in the self-deprogramming process, you're deeply ashamed you haven't left the tyrannical, money-thirsty cult fiends. That's entirely understandable. Actually, it's part of the natural process of freeing yourself and your family. Just remember that almost everyone who's left the cult, including some of the Readers, felt the same way at one time or another.

In the meantime, you can help ward off the ghoulish cult masters even though you haven't yet walked out. First, give less and less money each week. Plead financial hardship if the collection-police come a-calling. Second, refuse to attend all the "really big shows."  Go only to low Mass on Sundays and holy-days, and never volunteer again.

Attendance at their extravaganzas and your donations are the life essence these clerical vampires need to sustain themselves. Deprive them of those, and they'll soon turn to dust.



50 comments:

  1. I pay attention to Catholic blogs only because of my interest in Latin. Years ago I met some blue habit end sisters who participated in the American Classical League's annual conference by introducing us to the fundamentals of Gregorian chant. They told me that they were from Mt S. Michael 's which I heard was connected with the Sedes. So I thought the Sedes were immersed in Latin studies as well as chant. Now, reading your posts, I'm not so sure.

    We're these sisters unique? What is the actual state of Latin studies amongst the Sedes?

    Gratias vobis ago!

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    1. When one reads Pistrina and then interacts with some folks in Tradlandia, you'll understand the words of Ovid among the Pontic Greeks:

      Barbarus hic ego sum, quia non intelligor illis.

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    2. he bad Latin of the sedes is just one of the *tristia* they visit upon the weird inhabitants of the weird land we call Tradistan, so distant from the Roman Church all good and true Catholics love:

      Haec est Ausonio sub jure novissima, vixque/haeret in inperii margine terra tui.

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  2. I hate auto correct!!!

    Habit end s/b habited
    We're s/b were

    Me paenitet!

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    1. Extra culpam es, amice docte. Noli tumultuari.

      Sede Latin is a mess, as I'm sure you've seen from our exposé of sedeism's "great scholar" Anthony Cekada; he has no business at all dealing with Latin texts.

      We once saw a subdiaconal ordination certificate issued by the blue nuns' boss: it was a backwards-schoolboy farce. Maybe one day we'll post our analysis of its gross errors. These sisters may know something about chant, but we'd wager their Latin grammar and syntax are rudimentary.

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  3. In reply to the other comment on last weeks article.How could a man of God(?) bury someone and never go back to visit the spouse and family.It is just beyond words.Has this sede priest heard of the corporal works of Mercy.When someone loses someone very close,it can be a very hard time and one would expect to get help from a priest.We fear for this mans Soul.Most Bishops and Priest burn in Hell.

    We think the comment said by you reader about Pivarunas ordination cerificate that it was a backwards school boy farce made our day and is 100% correct.

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    1. Such behavior is almost impossible to comprehend. But some independent sedes are equally bad. We heard the story that one of these sumbags went to a wake uninvited and told the family, including the grieving widow, that he knew her deceased husband better than she did! It seems he was part of a larger effort to stop any bequest to a rival chapel and later upset an ordination.

      We're trying to find the file of that subdiaconal ordination certificate on some old drives. We'd love for some of the Latinists, like Anon 8/23 10:23, to see for themselves how bad the situation is at "headquarters." It's worse than dreadful.

      Although the SGG-Brooksville cartel's certificates weve seen a're substantially correct, they still don't have complete mastery. (See our post http://pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com/2011/03/squeaking-and-gibbering-in-streets-of_27.html and the page "Pistrina bids the rector to school...")

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  4. Hello Pistrina Liturgica.A friend has given us details of your website and thought it good to make a comment.

    In Sherri's book on CMRI,she makes two excellent comments

    *We badly wanted to hear the Bishop explain why Father Louis and Sister were never questioned.Myself and the other Sister were astounded when Pivarunas said his hands were tied.Who could possibibly be tying the Bishops hands.He was supposed to be the highest authority in our community.


    *The exodus of Sisters continued as did the negative comments upon their departure.I was uncomfortable with the lack of compassion for these women,despite their years of dedicated service.Eventually,I saw the unkind insinuations as a part of a larger tendency by our leaders of our community to distort the truth in order to protect their reputations.

    Yes,Father Fulhams writings made excellent points.Our dad who left CMRI some years ago said that after the departure of Schuckardt,the CMRI basically threw the baby out with the bathwater.The Fatima Cell Program was stopped in 1992 and the group became very liberal.At least this garbage would not be in the SSPX.As far as a priest treating a spouse of a deceased man like that makes us very angry.What a scumbag.Pistrina Liturgica,we are sure you have had other faithful contact you in private about sad stories like this.These men are abominations and bring disgrace to the Traditional Movement.


    Keep up the good work at exposing the garbage of Sede Land.

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    1. A great quotation from Sherri's book. The "tied hands" anecdote is a perfect illustration of how all the cults are "managed."

      Although our personal ecclesial position differs from that of the SSPX, we agree that for many people it's the best option. For one thing, there's some supervision of the clergy, and the formation is several orders of magnitude superior to that of the sede seminaries. Unfortunately, not everyone is has an SSPX chapel nearby.

      To be fair, we must say that Fr. Ricossa in Italy proves that sede clergy can be supervised if there is decent leadership. When the complaints against a goofy French completer of an American "priest mill" became so loud they could not be ignored and further admonitions failed to produce positive changes, he released him from his organization. Americans are incapable of exercising discipline, unless it's for "disobedience." Only then does the hammer come down on a wayward "priest.".

      Here's a quick story. Several years ago, a chapel member reported to a cult master that the "pastor" was planning to take over the chapel or start a new one. He had been very popular with the members, and he perhaps over shared his plans with the fanatical cultling, whom he thought to be his friend. He was immediately recalled to cult central. But then he suddenly left the country for two weeks, until he finally came crawling back to the cult master. He languished at HQ for a few years, a pariah of sorts, until he made his break and assumed the pastorship of an independent chapel. What's really sickening is that he still maintains ties with the cult master who treated him so badly. What a joke!

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  5. All is not lost as I see you have Ovid at your fingertips.

    Macte!

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    1. We couldn't think of literary life without the witty bard from Sulmo: "Ovidius Naso was the man; and why indeed Naso, but for sniffing out the odoriferous flowers of fancy, the jerks of invention."

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  6. A person made a comment to last week's article to stop the attacks on a certain priest down under called Gilchrist.They said the various people have their days numbered.What garbage.If they were reading the comments sent in,it was not only Gilchrist but Pivarunas and other sede Clerics they were talking about.How can someone speak such garbage.It never seems to end to the horror stories of such untrained and unsupervised Clerics.Yes,we have never heard anything bad about Father Ricossa.He has a general concern for Souls and we would suggest young men interested in a vocation to the priesthood to contact him.A true pastor of Souls.God bless

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    1. Hear! Hear! A pity that Fr. Ricossa still associates with Big Don. May he be enlightened.

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  7. Yes,I agree with the above comments.The main problems with these sede clerics is their lack of untraining and then supervision.Let's pray for a end to this mess.

    As regards to Father Ricossa.A very good priest and has a love of Souls.It is good news indeed that he kick a bad apple out.

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    1. Yes, that was very good news about bouncing out an incompetent crudball. We hear he's broken off with Dannie, but sadly he still seems to have some connections to the Brooksville scum. A man of such high standards should know better, and we hope he makes a break soon. He's been given all the information he needs.

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  8. May I ask what is the connection between Bishop Neville and the SGG/Brooksville cult.If he still supports them,shame on him.He was trained by the SSPX and should know better.

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    1. After he started St. Dominic's in Highland, MI, when the seminary moved to Brooksville, the cult masters shunned him, and the estrangement grew deeper after his consecration. Some of his chapel members were even formerly directed not to visit OLQM in Warren, MI. For a very short while in late 2009, he chaired and advised the group that formed to protest the SGG School Scandal when it became public. In recent years, however, it seems that the breech between him and the SGG/Brooksville cult cartel has closed. We saw that his chapel appeared on the SGG "approved" list, and once we saw his name mentioned in what may have been an interview on Restoration Radio. Heiner would never have dared introduce him to his audience without approval from the kingpins. In addition, for a while, one of the young men from his chapel attended the pesthouse "seminary" in Brooksville.

      He's been flying under the radar for a long time, so we don't have a whole lot of current information since he's really not an important figure in Tradistan nor will he ever be. But from the looks of it, he's made some kind of peace with his erstwhile adversaries.

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  9. I can attest that in the U.S., the state of Latin studies among sede clergy and religious, aside from a very small group, is gravely deficient. There are a very few capable sede clerics who had had genuine post-secondary education, and a quite a few more capable laymen. The situation overall is better in Europe.

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    1. Yes, in Europe the situation is very good. In the US, we know of only a handful who're competent in Latin, and one of those is a man who graduated in classics from a well known university out West. The majority have severe deficiencies; there's one who has to read his breviary in English and who cannot translate the simple rubrics in the Missal.

      Some of the older self-trained clergy, like the Blunderer, appear to have a functional reading ability, but as we've shown time and time again, there's much lacking. Whatever they say should be ignored.

      In a word, the state of Latin in American Tradistan is dismal.

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  10. Thank you for your advice about Father Ricossa.I am a young man who may have a vocation to the Priesthood.I spent a small amount of time visiting the "seminaries" of Mater Dei and MHT.A complete disaster and shock.In fact myself and several others were quite overcome with the complete rudeness of both "rectors"They would often make derogatory comments about certain persons.These Cult "seminaries" are not places of God.I would be most interested to know how high are the standards with Father Ricossa.I should start to learn some italian.

    In response to the garbage food at Mater Dei,yes it was shocking and how any man could study on a empty stomach is beyond words.I would quietly go out late at night and go down the road to Arbys sandwich shop by the shopping mall and have a good meal.There was "seminarians" sleeping in basement rooms and no morning or afternoon coffee.The "rector" would be teaching both at the "seminary" and "school" during the day and would often stop classes to get us to go out picking apples or other tasks not related to our learning.

    I want to be a fully trained priest capable of bringing Souls to Christ and have a complete understanding of the Church Fathers,Sacraments,Liturgy,etc.I do not want to be associated with bogus clerics who do untold damage and destroy Souls.These men should put away their collars and do something else.I would ask for your advice and prayers that I will know Gods will.

    On a final note.How shameful for a priest to one day stand before God and have to answer for their disgusting behaviour towards Souls that are crying out for help and advice.Lets pray they fix the harm they have done before it's too late.A GREAT victory for Satan to get a Bishop or Priests Soul to Hell.

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    1. Of course, the best traditional formation today would be at an SSPX or FSSP seminary. Outside of those, we would recommend Fr. Ricossa's institute in Italy or Bp. Morello's seminary in Argentina, so take your pick and start learning Italian or Spanish. (An investment in Rosetta Stone software might be a good idea to begin.)

      You should also contact the seminaries directly by email. (Send us an anonymous email and we'll give you the contact info we have..) Just be aware that it appears as though Fr. Ricossa still maintains relations with Big Don, though not with Dannie, according to our European sources.

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    2. Bishop Morello in Argentina? hahaha good joke to laugh during the weekend

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  11. We couldn't find an original pdf of the CMRI subdiaconal ordination certificate (we only had a transcription -- that wouldn't be fair.) But we did find an original for a first tonsure. We've suppressed the date and with changed the name, but we preserve the case ending as printed on the certificate.

    We won't comment directly right now, allowing you learned ladies and gentlemen to skewer these cult idiots yourselves. Allow us, however, to point out in the text below (a) the misspelling of "sigiloque" (2 l's, not one are required) and (b) the gross blunder of "Omahense," a neuter nom. or acc. adjective instead of the locative case. (Any normal 1st-semester, 1st-year Latin student could have come up with the correct form since "Omaha" is Latinized as a first declension noun.)

    So, without further ado, sharpen your grammatical flaying knives and have at it:

    Testamentum Ordinationis
    +Omnibus has visuris salutem in Domino+
    Notum facimus per has presentes litteras Reverendissimus Dominus
    Marcus Antonius Pivarunas, CMRI
    Episcopus
    Primam Clericalem Tonsuram
    contulisse
    Christianus Smith
    rite dimisso, in ecclesia Mariae Immaculatae
    Die ______ Mensis ___ A.D. _______
    juxta Pontificale praescriptum.
    In quorum fidem hasce propria manu subsignavimus sigiloque ecclesiae muniri jussimus.

    Datum Omahense, ex ecclesia Mariae Immaculatae

    (date and signature and seal).

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    1. Not to steal anyone's thunder, but we hope somebody out there comments on the ridiculous -- and impossible (in the SV at least) -- "rite dimisso." It appears as though the Latin- challenged Tradistani clergy don't understand what it really meant, and hence why it should not -- and really, cannot -- appear in sede certificates.

      These men are just "playing Church."

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  12. Thank you for your advice.I was the young man who send in the above message about a vocation to the priesthood.I forgot to ask about Bishop Morello's seminary.Yes,I know some spanish.As Bishop Morello came from the SSPX,I expect his standards would be high and do they do the complete 7 years.I believe one of his priests is Pastor of Bishop Robert Mckenna's Church in Monroe,CT.

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  13. Yes, Fr. Rodríguez is the pastor there.

    Bp Morello is a fine, prudent, educated man who cares for his charges. He already has some American seminarians there in San Carlos Bariloche, and the priests there are all decent, well adjusted men.

    If you ever have the chance to meet him, you'll see how far he excels over the crummy American bishops. He is also a fine and thoughtful writer who puts these Americans to shame.

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  14. Young man you are in our prayers.Thanks be to God and our Lady that you have the courage to see the bogus training at these cult "seminaries" and sad to hear what you saw.Keep up your prayers and our Lady will guide you to a true seminary where you will be treated with respect and given a good training with true men of God.Yes,true priests should bring souls to Christ,not conduct themselves in barbarian and scumbag behaviour..

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  15. Who consecrated Bishop Morello?

    We believe there was something printed some time ago in the Church bulletin at Monroe about a American sede bishop(Don or Dan)trying to stop a ordination.True?

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    1. Neville consecrated him in Guadalajara, Mexico, since Bp. McKenna had been ill and unable to perform the rite himself, as was the original plan..

      Yes, it's true that a cult master tried unsuccessfully to derail the ordination in Lawrence, MA. The clumsy effort forced Mons. Morello to break his usual prudent silence with a letter in the Monroe bulletin and mention the failed attempt. Of course, he was too decent to publicly name the dirtbag troublemaker, but everybody knows who he was, when you consider the church at which the ordination took place.

      These American sede kingpins are simply the lowest form of life.

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  16. The Reader

    We have met Bp Morello.A very kind,spiritual man of God.It is very good to know he has some American men in his seminary.We pray that young man who is discerning a vocation and others will go there.Do you know anything about a Father Mauricio Zarate who has a Chapel in Tampa,Fl.It appears he has a link with Argentina.We do indeed enjoy reading your interesting articles.Keep up the good work.

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    1. Fr. Zárate, a very fine priest and a thoroughly decent man, is with the Sociedad Religiosa San Luis Rey de Francia (http://capillavedia.blogspot.com).

      Although based in Argentina, the society also operates Immaculate Heart of Mary Chapel in Tampa, FL (http://www.immaculateheartofmarychapel.com).

      The scum American cult masters don't like a real Catholic alternative being available so close to the pesthouse, so they have tried to start trouble by recruiting some of the weak minded. Sadly, the cultists did manage to get a malcontent family or two, but the majority of the people wouldn't believe the hogwash that was sent to them. The cult masters are also upset that they've lost families to the little chapel -- families who recognized that they had to get away from Brooksville.

      We recommend for the good of their souls and their peace of mind that all traditional Catholics in the area run from the weirdo cult chapel in Brooksville and join the Immaculate Heart of Mary Chapel. The address is 2404 E Stuart Street, Tampa, FL 33605. There you can live a happy and normal Catholic life without all the sick intrusiveness of the cult masters.

      As an aside, we're betting one family that was lured to the cult regrets its decision to leave and spread dissension, now that they've had a taste of all the crazy rules and restrictions at Brooksville. (SGG looks normal in comparison with that cult-crazy lot!) We'll also bet that the Brooksville "cult police" have already marked them as possible troublemakers and are keeping a very close eye on their activities. We wouldn't be surprised either if they left someday in the not-too-distant future. If they do, we're sure the good fathers of the Religious Society of King Louis of France will welcome them back to the true faith.

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    2. So you would recommend Immaculate Heart Chapel in Tampa where Confirmations are done by Bishop Montelongo (a Taylor bishop) and he has had on his altar Bishop Jessie Milagrosa of Our Lady of LaSalette Sanctuary, Bayside? The Church was consecrated by Bishop Montelongo.

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    3. Until we know more about the Taylor line, we reserve any judgment one way or the other. (And we won't trust any information that originates with the cult masters.)

      From the little we know, the Taylor line may consist of several valid lineages, just as did the lines of many RC bishops in the past. As we've noted in comments before, in the old days it was the practice of many bishops to re-consecrate each other in private just to assure validity. Pars tutior sequenda est. We think many of the objections to the Tampa chapel result from interests material rather than spiritual or canonical.

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  17. Why do you call Sanborn "Big" Don and Dolan "wee" Danny?

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  18. The "Wee" is for his overall unimportance, and the "Big" is meant to indicate who really calls the shots in the Tradistani underworld. "Li'l" echoes not only the "Wee" but recalls his middle name.

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    1. Ah, I see.

      I always thought the "wee" was because Dolan is short in height, although I don't know if he really is since I've never seen him in person.

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  19. Yes, he's a sawed-off little guy, but we chose the adjective to describe his real status in Traddielandia. Also, we liked the association with the Celtic wee people, the red-coated leprechauns jealously guarding their pots o' gold.

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  20. I don't defend The Trio, but I couldn't help noticing you criticize them for their malformation and regard the SSPX as having better formation, and yet The Trio were formed by the SSPX.

    So isn't any SSPX completer no better than The Trio?

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    1. No. These men were "formed" in the very early days of the society, which had not yet found its educational footing. Priests coming out later had the benefit of the society's mature development and institutional stability.

      You can actually palpably see the difference between the completes of the mid-'70s and those who finished their studies in the '80s, and now the difference between the old guard and the new priests is like night and day. Even a difference of 4 or 5 years is discernible in both quality and content.

      One of the things that has helped SSPX formation in the U.S.A. has been the placement of the seminary under the administration of Europeans, who are bettered prepared academically and managerially than Americans. Perhaps one day, we'll produce some native quality.

      Another difference is that the society can now be more selective in the candidates it accepts. In the early days, the abp. took in just about anybody -- and ordained them in spite of dire warnings -- because he frankly needed the numbers. Today, they can afford to to look at only the cream of the crop,

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  21. Reader,in response to the above question.What is your view's on the Taylor line.Is it valid?What is the background on Bishop Taylor.Has he ordained many priests and consecrated many bishops?

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    1. As of yet, we have no position on the Taylor line, and we really know very little about him, since we've never really had the occasion to look into his orders. In fact, all we really know with any confidence is what tboyle.net has listed, viz. that he's a traditional priest falling under the subcategory of "Disputed Origin of Priest Orders" with the name "Bishop Carlos Duarte Costa" following his. His webpage doesn't provide much information other than the location of his chapel.

      We once saw a post on CathInfo that said his orders derived from the Orthodox. On the same page was a remark that he had ordained a man who later called himself Pope Athanasius I. (A pity he didn't know that he is only "the first" if he has a successor of his name.)

      The csjb-ofmconv.com website says this: "Bishop Bruno’s Apostolic Succession is derived from Bishop Patrick Taylor, who possesses valid lineages that include Eastern Orthodox, Old Roman Catholic (i.e. “Old Catholic”-Utrecht), Brazilian National Catholic (Duarte-Costa), and Roman Catholic bishops, specifically the Thuc lineage."

      Apart from the above, we have no further information in our dossier.

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  22. We believe Bishop Bruno was at Mater Dei for only a year and left.He obtained training from a Franciscan priest in Mexico.The goof who calls himself Pope Athanasius I is a Bishop Bryan Clayton now based in Spokane.He was at a Chapel in Boston but the Chapel board kicked him and now they have the SSPX.



    Do you have any idea at the numbers of men who leave the pesthouse-MHTS?We have worked out between 2008-2015,over 20-25 including the 4 who went to the then Father Ramolla have left Mater Dei at Omaha.This does not include men who go and visit for a few days in the view of a possible vocation.There is something very wrong.


    We agree with your position on the excellent training of the SSPX seminaries.Yes,they are very strict on who they accept.


    Keep up the excellent work Pistrina Liturgica

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    1. We heard last year that a French, seminarian whom Big Don wanted to promote ahead of schedule, left the pesthouse. Our French informant said he was sick of the craziness. We also heard they booted out an African seminarian for being too independent minded.

      In America, the best training is from the SSPX. BTW, good news for the poor people at OLS in Arizona. The new SSPX chapel in Phoenix is slated to be consecrated on Sept.13. There'll be a lot more space for additional families now. Let's hope they get out of the cult mess they're in.

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  23. PISTRINA LITURICA,as to the above comment.I have been very concerned at the large number of men who go to these "seminaries" and leave.It just adds more fuel to the fire at how bad these places are and that young people are not being hood-winked.How sad to hear someone going out at night to get something to eat.We did hear the blue nuns eat a poor diet.If you attend the annual Fatima talk in October,the food is very poor

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    1. We've heard the pesthouse fare is plentiful. The downside, according to informants, is that meal preparation and cleanup consume much of the seminarians' precious time. In sede seminaries, it's either feast or famine -- and malformation all around.

      The only ones in the US who know how to run a traditional seminary are the SSPX and the FSSP. Shame on Tradistan!

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  24. actually you should be a bit more observant here: anyone reading a copy of "Verbum" from the SSPX Seminary will quickly realize that following ordination one will note that an ordinand one year is often featured as a "professor" of dogmatic theology, philosophy or canon law the next. Just get a couple of back issues. Very few on staff in an SSPX seminary are accredited in canon law, philosophy or theology from a Catholic University or similar. They have expensive buildings and perhaps more discipline, but not much else.

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  25. that is not to say that they are trying their best under the circumstances.

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  26. We know that most do not possess degrees from recognized universities, but the level of instruction during formation is far superior to that of the sede seminaries, which means that these instantaneous "professors" are far better than their moronic sede counterparts. Also, the quality of seminarian is far superior to the sede trash inmates.

    We have spoken to a number of young American SSPX priests, and our experience confirms that many are very bright young men who excelled in their priestly studies. Their mastery of the material was impressive for their age, and light years beyond what we hear from the stuttering, ignorant sedes who prefer to make it up as they go along.

    To be sure, the ideal situation would be a professoriate consisting of men who held advanced degrees from accredited Catholic institutions. But that's nearly impossible today, for one reason because the Catholic universities aren't Catholic any more, and they probably wouldn't accept some traditionalists. (That's not to say that they don't teach basic content that would be useful for a traditional formation. Moreover, it still is possible in some institutions to get exposure to classic Catholic theology -- some are even undergoing a revival of sorts.)

    We agree with Anon 8/28 3:40 that they're trying their best, and their best is 10,000% better than the lame-brained sedes' "best." The American sedes just don't have the human capital either on the teaching or learning end to pull off anything that even resembles the past. That's why the SSPX formation in the U.S. is probably the best available to any group not directly affiliated with Rome.

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  27. And here I thought I was in a pitiful state having learned little Latin and no Greek while in Novus Ordo "catholic" schools. Those without the benefit of family members who spoke Latin--such as me-- wound up as speakers of dog-Latin (as defined by Black's Law Dictionary) rather than Lingua Latina

    PS- glad to se the lively comments section, at least more lively than a few years back when you started this effort.

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  28. There's still time to learn *sermo latinus.* Leave the dog-Latin to the sede clergy (although most of them will never be able to boast of writing even that degraded form).

    Yes, we're pleased with the comments section now. When we first started, all we had were neanderthals protesting our skewering of Tony Baloney's rotten book WHH, and condemning us for not showing the idiot cult masters respect.

    Now we have both friends and adversaries with vigor and wit. And contrary to what one cult stooge wrote in -- or was it a cult master?? -- we receive a flood of email from all sides.

    Being partisans of *incorrupta latini sermonis integritas,* we have been delighted with the correspondence from Latin teachers. One (who gave us permission to tell this story) related how she used our analyses of all Cekada's gross errors in the Latin in her college Latin classes to show her students how au courant Latin is today.

    For extra credit on tests, she prints his errors and has the students correct his blunders. When she hands back the corrected exams, she then reads aloud our analyses, to the great amusement of her students. In order to encourage her pupils to apply themselves in their studies, she jokingly tells them that anyone who earns a D or less will be given the "Erroneous Antonius Award for Failure to Achieve." We're trying to coax her into actually establishing the award, with a dog-Latin text (and perverse translation) made up of the kind of errors the Blunderer has committed. She's thinking of assigning it as an extra-credit project to the class. They'll have a blast if she follows through.

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