Saturday, March 25, 2017

šŸŽ¶BUT IT'S ONLY MAKE BELIEVEšŸŽ¶


...why do you think poseurs pose?Because they want to be invited to the dominion of the real, an almost magical zone of unselfed sensation, and they know their very desire for it disqualifies them. Lipsyte

Everything about the SW-Ohio-Brooksville cult, from its fictitious "dogma" of mortally sinful una-cum Masses to the intellectual failings of its undereducated "clergy," is contrived. Surrounding whatever the cult masters do, there's the noisome aura of self-conscious theatricality. It's as though they see themselves always on stage aping some one-act farce before the peanut gallery of a Podunk vaudeville house, where the lowbrow audience is too simple-minded to discriminate between appearance and reality.

The inbreeding cult "clergy" apparently regard themselves as the protagonists of their own unheroic mythological drama: their objective is not to be authentic but to be admired. Yet when the curtain rings down and greasepaint comes off, these self-obsessed mediocrities resemble nothing recognizable as genuine clergy of the Latin Church.  Instead, they form the Constitutive Other,  aliens to real Catholic identity, eternally outside the network of the Church Militant. Frighteningly, they are the non-Catholic Self.

Their Otherness doesn't make them exceptional, as they'd have you believe. Quite the contrary, in terms of educational attainment and intellectual gifts, they're an all-washed-up third-rate act. None is an honest-to-goodness churchman. Each just plays one on the boards during the weekly extravaganzas. But since most people, even many cultists, acknowledge the deceptive self-presentation, there's no cause to rehearse all Tony Baloney's errors in Latin, Tradzilla's linguistic howlers, and "One-Hand Dan's" liturgical absurdities. Nor need we remind our readership of Tradistan's sham "schools," pretend religious, and daffy rules rooted in a never-existing 1950s of a fevered imagination.

While most people can detect the dissimulations of scholarship or general education once exposed, they find it harder to discern the troubling affectations masked by the cult masters' "preaching." The "sermon" format is an ideal means to amplify pretense. Unlike correct Latinity, choice English diction, or liturgical orthopraxis (which demand specialized training in order to assess their authenticity), evaluating the content of the average, dumb-downed Sunday monologue is something most of the faithful trust they can do on their own.

To get a favorable response, all the churchly thespians have to do is dress in the right costume, thunder their message with conviction, and mouth something more or less consistent with what psychological weaklings think is Christian. Exacerbating the culties' gullibility is the Catholic cognitive bias that assumes anybody in a Roman collar practices and believes what he preaches.  Spell bound by the Sunday matinee performances, trad yokels are happy to dismiss the ominous signs of imposture and go with their usually-wrong gut.

The wily cult kingpins intuitively grasp that such witlessness is their ticket to the big time, their invitation to squat in the "dominion of the real." There, in disguise, they imagine they can conceal the naked self-interest coiled behind crudely wrought masks of false piety. Just fill the acrid cult-center air with Catholic-sounding platitudes or threats, and nobody's going to look beyond the cartoonish image. The alchemy of posturing transmutes, however implausibly, ragtag personae into "priests" or "bishops," tricked-out Quonset huts into "churches," and tribal fetish objects into sacred artifacts.

Insofar as by means of their "sermons" the cult masters lay claim to ownership of Catholic vocabulary, they're shielded from external efforts to cut short their grotesque masquerade. All they have to say to their naĆÆve followers is, "Our enemies don't understand Catholic principles." Without a second thought, the cultlings willingly suspend disbelief, often in violation of what little sensus catholicus they may have possessed.

Quoting a bookshelf of moral theologians by tractate and subsection won't move cult zombies to see  through the "clerical" humbugs: Shock of recognition comes only if you have the right background. To the average cult rite-trash, moral theology is as impenetrable as good Latin, edited English prose, and liturgiology. To their ears, the grounded teachings of the Church's approved authors aren't nearly as Catholic as the brimstone-reeking content of the weekly harangues spat from cult pulpits.

Therefore, in order to unmask these disqualified poseurs, you have to make cultlings examine their "clergy's" behavior through a secular lens, albeit one with close affinities to solid Catholic ethical  principles.  Otherwise they won't — or, to be more precise, they can't —get the message.  In next week's post, we'll offer a very good example, one that should turn on the house lights, put an end to the cheap histrionics, and send the audience out to look for a real Catholic life, even if it is to be found at home alone.

89 comments:

  1. Hello Pristina Liturgica.You are right on the money with the above.

    Just been told about your website.We are just appalled to know more about what is going on in these sede cults.Just been reading last weeks comments and what a breath of fresh air to hear some of the views of a former sede cleric Bishop Terrence Fulham.

    What raised our anger was that comment of a former CMRI seminarian making several of his own observations


    *Substandard food while the "rector" looked well fed.This is just typical of Cult leaders(look at Dolan and Sanborn)

    *Manual work took priority over studies.We thought a seminary was where one was to train for the priesthood.

    The worse one of all was the following.Perhaps someone else can let Pristina Liturgica know if this is correct

    *A day before the so called end of years exams,the exam papers would be presented to the seminarians to read.Is this for real.Talk about a utter joke.

    Thank God for this website.blessings

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    1. Have you googled Bp T Fulham?

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    2. Thanks for the kind words, 8:55. It's important for everyone to warn others to stay away from these men,

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    3. In my day it was 2 weeks before.

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  2. I for one anxiously look forward to next weeks blog. I have one good humble priest who is now servicing some Catholics, including myself. If anything were to happen to him, I will be staying at home and keeping the faith to the best of my ability, with no remorse. We were warned of these days, so it is all in God's eternal plan.

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    1. Absolutely. We have been called to live in these predicted times.

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    2. When and if the time comes, 9:24 will discover it's often easier to keep the faith at home than assist at the cults and witness first hand the vile behavior of unworthy "clergy."

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  3. Thank you so much for another excellent article.I spend time in the sede cult of CMRI and became totally disillusioned to the point of almost losing my Faith.I walked away finally and have attended the SSPX for well over a decade.The above comments concerning a former seminarian posted last week comes as no surprise.I always wondered why Piv had a large belly.Yes,look forward to next weeks article.

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    1. Anon 9:38 PM

      You should concentrate on your soul, not the belly of another person!

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    2. Sometimes the size of a cult master's gut has a very negative impact on the souls of the faithful.

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    3. Does not sound Catholic.

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    4. Anon 10:53 and 7:10 AM (probably the same person – and probably one of Pivvie’s lackeys): YOU should concentrate on saying something meaningful, NOT on singling out Anon 9:38 for your sanctimonious drivel). In typical HYPOCRITE fashion, you overlooked the rest of what he said in order to pick on a side comment (in order to raise an irrelevant “point”). Then you compounded your hypocrisy (and your ignorance) by stating that the Reader’s reply “does not sound Catholic.”

      The truth is, YOUR pointless remarks are not Catholic, but just represent a hapless attempt by a noisy housefly to hear himself buzzing. No rational person should pay any attention to you – except perhaps to silence you with a fly-swatter.

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  4. Anonymous March 25 9.24PM

    Agree.we have been warned about these days.You can keep the Faith at home by having a good prayer life and reading good spiritual books.

    It is interesting to note on this blog that nothing is never talked about concerning the SSPV.We know the fact that some scandal has happened e.g not giving faithful Holy Communion because they attend other Traditional Chapels,etc.Apart from this,a real eye opener.Lets pray for those poor blind folk still at SGG and Brooksville.

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  5. Bp Terrance operates outside the jurisdiction of his Pope.

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    1. Is there a Pope?

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    2. Bp Terrance says we have a Pope yet he operates outside his (Jorge) diocese's.

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    3. Does that make him R & R?
      Like those in the es es pee ex.

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    4. But Bp Terrance is a sedevacantist according to my Bro Pete Dimond. That's what Google turns up.

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    5. Best to ask Bp T Fulham.

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    6. But my Bro Pete Dimond did just that:

      "A few weeks ago I called Bishop Fulham in an attempt to discuss these matters with him. My hope was that he would change his position. We spoke cordially for a few minutes and he asked me my name. I told him: “Bro. Peter Dimond.” He immediately hung up the telephone and that was the end. I must admit that I was a bit frustrated that he hung up on me because I wanted to be able to bring forward certain facts and ask him certain questions. But, alas, I didn’t get that opportunity because of his cowardly action.

      Before he hung up, however, he indicated to me that he believed that only baptized Catholics could be saved, which I found surprising considering how few priests hold this dogma today."

      But my Bro Pete Dimond doesn't believe an answer when he gets one by his own testimony. So if he doesn't believe Bp. Terrance why should we - Bro Pete is the truth detector after all !

      Link: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/bishop-terrence-fulham-bro-andre/#.WNg1RlUrLcs

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    7. We need a true Catholic Pope as Vicar of Christ, the Pope's word is final & all Catholics will be in line under him. Francis cannot be Pope, there is no unity under him.

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    8. A planned Conference is to take place in Paris on March 31st to lay the groundwork to depose Francis.

      What does that tell us?

      Those involved know more than us.

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    9. Something's going to happen soon. But whatever transpires, we know the cult masters will never be part of the solution.

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    10. AnonymousMarch 26, 2017 at 7:48 PM
      "A planned Conference is to take place in Paris on March 31st to lay the groundwork to depose Francis."

      “The first or primatial see is subject to no one’s judgment. This proposition must be taken in the fullest extent, not only with regard to the object of infallibility. For in matters of faith and morals it was always customary to receive the final sentence from the Apostolic See, whose judgment no one dared to dispute as the tradition of the Fathers demonstrates. Neither was it ever allowed to reconsider questions or controversies once settled by the Holy See. But even the person of the Supreme Pontiff was ever considered as unamenable to human judgment, he being responsible and answerable to God alone, even though accused of personal misdeeds and crimes. (…) “God wished the causes of other men to be decided by men; but He has reserved to His own tribunal, without question, the ruler of this see.” No further argument for the traditional view is required. A general council could not judge the Pope, because, unless convoked or ratified by him, it could not render a valid sentence. Hence nothing is left but an appeal to God, who will take care of His Church and its head.”

      A Commentary on the New Code of Canon Law Vol VII Rev. P.C. Augustine O.S.B., Herder, 1923 Pp 11 & 12

      Having established the Catholic teaching on the matter what is really going on ? Francis will regularize the SSPX, stay on long enough to make sure the liberals don't tamper with it and then abdicate - this uproar over AL is designed to give him a plausible excuse to exit and sets up the excuse for the election of a "conservative" to get us all back on the Ratzingerian path once again. Did you really believe that Benedict faded away?

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    11. I understand that among the Conferees will be reps of the 45 Newchurch Theologians.

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    12. AnonymousMarch 26, 2017 at 6:29 PM
      "Francis cannot be Pope, there is no unity under him."

      There was lot of disunity under Pius XII (e.g. worker priests in France) what am I to conclude from that?

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    13. Ah a committee of theologians - now what did Francis say about committees, Hmm?

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    14. Bp Terrance just stated on this comment section that people who hold the sedevacantist position don't have their heads on straight.
      Bp Terrance is a good noahide yet refuses submission to his Pope.
      His chapel operates outside the noahide novus ordo diocesan structure.
      Tsk Tsk he's not being a good little Goy.

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    15. 8:47 PM

      I certainly have not mentioned Benedict.

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    16. 8:55 PM

      Were you around during the time of Pius
      XII? Please tell us more.

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    17. Phony Tony style reasoning seems to be resonating here. Let's get this straight if you're not in the Novus Ordo, you're not subject to Bergoglio, who according to this baloney line is a noahide, but not being subject makes you one also ? Seems somebody swallowed a new term but forgot to use a dictionary, or logic is a weak point or both. Now that's the stuff only Tone the Bone could invent !

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    18. The Reader 8:24 PM is right, so let us wait for it & see what "transpires".

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    19. Is that the considered opinion of Don and Tony after a Transatlantic conference ?

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    20. I'm Anonymous 9:00PM
      No one has refuted me just a random insult from Anonymous 9:23PM.
      If Bp.Terrance says Jorge is Pope and Sedevacantists don't have their screwed on straight,why is Bp.Terrance disobeying his Pope and not incardinated into a noahide novus ordo diocese?

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    21. It's fascinating to see how sedevacantists think that everyone has the same conception of Papal authority as they do. So if one accepts that Francis is Pope, sedes think that one must treat him exactly as they themselves would treat him (i.e., obey his every whim) if they accepted him as Pope. But isn't that the very crux of the disagreement between sedes and non-sedevacantist trads?

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    22. Answer my question please.
      If a man is validily ordained/consecrated like Bp.Terrance and believes the Novus Ordo and Jorge Bergoglio to be the Catholic Church and Pope,why isn't he incardinated into his Central Florida diocese?
      Its odd to say "We have a catholic Pope,Hierarchy,and dioceses,yet I operate an independent church outside of their jurisdiction"
      What's the point in all of this if the Church is operating smoothly?

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    23. Thank you for your question. Who says the Church is operating smoothly ? I certainly don't and up until quite recently neither did the largest part of Tradition namely, the Society of St. Pius X.

      It was Archbishop Lefebvre who explained in "Open Letter to Confused Catholics" the brokenness of the Church in the 1970s and 80s and the insanity that reigns within officialdom.

      However, we don't need the Archbishop anymore because the chaos is everywhere and Cardinals are pitted against Cardinals thanks to the current pontificate.

      We don't even have to look at the areas where the pre-conciliar magisterium differs with that of the post-conciliar period.

      One only has to look at the obvious contradictions between John Paul II's "Familiaris Consortio" and Francesco's "Amoris Laetitia" - the arguments no longer rest with Trads versus Modernists - the Modernists are in open warfare with each other.

      In this climate how can the Church be said to be operating smoothly ?

      I wouldn't head towards a tornado, would you ?

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    24. The reason for the Conference on March 31st in Paris is because of Francesco's "Amoris Laetitia". Thank you Bp Fulham. Hence the reps of the 45 Newchurch Theologians who will attend.

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    25. You didn't answer my question,thank you for your time.

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    26. In Logic we learned: "A posse ad esse non valet illatio" which loosely translates that because something is possible it doesn't necessarily mean it will be actualized or can be inferred. Thus the existence of a 2 day conference in beloved Paris doesn't mean Bergoglio's on his way out. Check out the schedule at the Sorbonne and you'll see a whole host of different topics being discussed. None of them suggest the imminent removal of Francis.

      As to why I'm not in the Diocese of St. Petersburg there are various answers to this question:

      (1) on a logistical level no formal process towards that goal exists.

      (2) Our former bishop who just retired was well known for being anti-Trad and he was just as much in private as he was in public. I can assure you.

      (3) The Church is in chaos - as I said above - one doesn't jump in the path of tornado - one gets out of its path and waits to see what's left after the damage has been done.

      (4) Archbishop Lefebvre used to say: "They want to excommunicate me from a church to which I never belonged." I have never been in the Official Church. He was also frequently asked after his excommunication to sort things out with Rome - Cardinal Gagnon comes to mind - he would always reply: "Fix the mess in the Church and there will be no more problems between us."

      (5) This church was started by a group of laity who listened to a lecture by Fr. Francis Fenton back in 1974 and again in 1975. When Fenton's organization faltered in the late 1970s the people briefly considered the question of going under the SSPX in the person of Fr. William Jenkins (no less) but the sentiment of the group back then was that they had always been independent and were not prepared to throw in their lot with the SSPX. Indeed with hindsight that was actually providential since this church would have been SSPV by now and sedevacantist.

      (6) Fenton's initial policy as stated in a document "Holding Fast" was that there was no intent to carry on a parallel church and as soon as Rome returned to normalcy he and his chapels would loyally submit to Rome. Fenton ended up a sede himself, but that policy of his in the last sentence substantially agrees with my own position.

      Now I hope that constitutes an answer since I cannot see what remains to be covered.

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    27. Thank you so much Bp Fulham.

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    28. Not to put too fine a point on this thread's discussion, but by appealing to the first member of the logical maxim from which TF quoted, viz., ab esse ad posse valet illatio, "there is an inference from what is real to what is possible," traditionalist hopefuls might licitly infer from the existence of the Paris conference on the deposition of a pope the possibility of Bergoglio's removal.

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    29. How disingenuous of you ! the correct quotation was: "A posse ad esse NON valet illatio". This is straight from the school of the Cekadian-Sanbornian model of distort and mis-translate whatever impedes your illogical SV-ism - dishonesty abounds ! Paris will not remove Bergoglio and you darn well it won't.

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    30. Who said Paris will remove Bergoglio?

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    31. He is getting carried away. Don't bother.

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    32. Anon .11:41 PM,

      If your remark was directed to Anon. 10:04, then we must correct you. In fact, both 10:04 and Bp. Fulham quoted correctly.

      The scholastic logical axiom reads in full ab esse ad posse valet illatio; a posse ad esse non valet illatio. That is to say, "An inference from what is real to what is possible is valid; there is no valid inference from what is possible to what is real." The one half of the axiom, which you wrongly insist is the "correct quotation," is only the invalid counterpart of the schoolmen's adage.

      The meaning of this rule of modal inference is: We may infer a proposition about a possibility from an assertoric proposition making a predication about an existing state, but we may not infer the reverse. Or more simply put, it's permissible to argue from facts to possibility and to deny the validity of arguments proceeding from possibility to reality.

      We can't speak for 10:04, but we we think we detected a little bit of tongue-in-cheek 'tude in the comment, because the axiom has more profound implications for metaphysics and epistemology than the comment suggests. Perhaps she or he will respond. Whatever the case or the writer's disposition, s/he did not err in the citation.

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    33. @Bp Terrance
      In your day to day actions you are no different than sedevacantist types like me.
      Your words are different but actions speak louder than words.
      If our heads arent screwed on straight as you say,you need to be incardinated into the Central Florida Diocese.

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    34. Where is Bishop Williamson incardinated ?

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    35. I don't know much about Bishop Williamson and could care less about either SSPX camp!!!

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    36. I think we can all take it as axiomatic that a body without a visible head is a corpse.

      Thus as a Member of the Mystical Corpse of Christ you wouldn't have the time of day for Bishop Williamson or any other clergy opposed to the Official Church clergy yet continue to recognize their place in the Mystical Body.

      As I see it the Mystical Corpse sedes are big on exteriors but short on theology - none of their clergy is a priest and bishop in good standing according to the Law of the Church neither are other Trads but somehow because they reject the visible head they enjoy a canonical mission not Trad cleric enjoys - totally fraudulent and bogus - but bogus theology seems to breed bogus clergy - so the case is moot.

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    37. The Tradistani "clergy" are shrewd opportunists who use the ongoing crisis to pretend to be somebody they could never become. It's only in the Non-Church where these malformed non-entities can strut and spout their nonsense, while living a life of ease and luxury.

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    38. You novus ordo people put words in others mouths constantly.
      That's the sign of a dishonest idolater.
      No where did I say anything bad about Bishoo Richard W nor did I say I would reject him.
      Lastly,a dishonest idolater would of course skewer the conversation once the Q & A shows them to be inconsistent.
      Have a blessed day Boys.

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  6. Probably off-topic: The most recent Sunday bulletin features another quote from a Novus Ordo source - this time from Fr. Regis Martin, a faculty member at Franciscan University of Steubenville.

    I find it very strange that someone who has condemned attending an una cum Mass will take material from those who endorse it...

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    1. Regis Martin is not a priest.

      Martin quoted from C S Lewis.

      I prefer quotes from Catholics on spiritual matters; there is enough wealth without resorting to a Protestant who married a Jewess that was a divorcee.

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    2. Wait a minute - Danny spent a whole retreat for the seminarians a couple of years ago on the subject of Clive Staples Lewis at Donnie's "seminary" are we to conclude from this that this was a wasted excursion into Protestantism by a sede-elitist group ? Heaven forfend !

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    3. Perhaps Dannie was trying to burnish his credentials for the Anglican Ordinariate - all that Anglican Patrimony "stuff" - no they don't take two-bit "bishops" in fancy-feather dress-up. Though in Anglicanism they probably would have.

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    4. Even Most Holy Family "Monastery" will cite Novus ordo priests when it suits their purposes: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/steven-scheier-hell/

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  7. An addendum: The left hand column has the quote from a Novus Ordo priest, and the right-hand column has a quote from Sanborn condemning the Novus Ordo.

    Possibly the left hand knows not what the right hand is doing?

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  8. Dave P.March 25, 2017 at 11:52 PM

    Asked:
    "...Possibly the left hand knows not what the right hand is doing?"

    In the case of Dolan, he is missing one hand on his head at his own Ordination, by ArchBp. Lef. Then there is the constant slight of hand that is undertaken each weekly collection as they convince the Parishioners to reach into their own respective pockets and support these money-changers.
    Now that is a very tough act to follow, without knowing what one is doing.!

    As far as the right not knowing what the left hand is doing?

    I can assure you, the right hand washes the left, and both are cleaning out the pockets of the parishioners of SGG and MHT.

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  9. Let them get on with it.
    They answer to their actions.

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    1. Great point, Dave.

      And how about that New Mexico Franciscan poet Fray AngƩlico ChƔvez Dannie's always quoting? He left the Church in 1971 but returned fully to the Novus Ordo before his death, even concelebrating Mass with the ordinary. If the NO is so bad, why reference any of its practitioners, even supremely gifted ones like ChƔvez?

      As 1:59 notes, the cult masters do whatever they need to loosen up the laity's grip on their cash. Expediency reigns.

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  10. Hello PL,Just been reading in last weeks comments concerning MD "seminary"Several including someone who got to ordination can give confirmation regarding the shocking conditions that someone raised above.Rotten meat and potatoes and no fruit except the annual apple picking while Piv got special treatment.I am apalled.Someone once raised the statement that Piv was eating other food in secret,I can believe it.A typical cult leader.How can he get away with this.

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    1. The cult masters will continue to operate as long as the people keep funding them.

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  11. The ReaderMarch 26, 2017 at 8:24 PM
    Wrote:
    "Something's going to happen soon. But whatever transpires, we know the cult masters will never be part of the solution."

    Oh, how right you are that something is going to happen in Rome. You are also right that the Lame Duck Traddie Prelates will do nothing to help solve it, and everything to create problems to keep their cult centers in operation.

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    1. Yes, sir! If by some miracle Frankie were deposed and the Church restored, many of those sede "bishops" would be sweating bullets. We think they'd refuse to acknowledge the divine intervention.

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  12. Terence FulhamMarch 27, 2017 at 6:34 PM
    wrote:
    "A posse ad esse non valet illatio" which loosely translates that because something is possible it doesn't necessarily mean it will be actualized or can be inferred. Thus the existence of a 2 day conference in beloved Paris doesn't mean Bergoglio's on his way out..."

    How right you are Bp Fulham, for it is all according to what "IS" is.

    Chaos reigns supreme in the Church hence the world.
    The powers that be in there now might not depose him, but rather dispose of him.

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    1. And you would accept the powers that be? Mr. Baloney et al

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    2. 10:28 PM

      Last para ....., "but rather dispose of him". Nothing new, according to whispers.

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    3. A Clintonian philosophy from the product of a fervid S-Vism mind

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    4. I remember the whispers about the Pope who reigned for 33 days!

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    5. In Europe, they're not whispers. We've personally seen in newspapers an open admission that JPI's death was not from natural causes.

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  13. AnonymousMarch 27, 2017 at 11:44 PM
    And you would accept the powers that be? Mr. Baloney et al

    Asked and then mocked:

    I accept nothing. I only state the obvious. However, it is God's Will, that Will Be in the end.

    As far as Balcgna, I personally prefer Salami.

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  14. Correction on the spelling:

    Bologna!

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  15. I myself can declare that the food at Mater Dei,Omaha was shocking.I am glad others have come forward.I only spend two months there and left and had become sick and felt tired all the time.I did sneak out at night to walk down the road to a store to buy fresh food and fruit.I don't understand why Piv is not questioned.He always seem to be going out at night and I overheard him boasting about all his great steak meals he has.I thought how disgusting and feed his seminarians crap.


    It would be very interesting to ask all those men who spend time there why they left,bet part was the low standards and major the food.Going through old adsums there must be many.

    Have you PL been contacted in private about this.


    The trouble is most folk in CMRI are braindead and could not believe their so-called bishop would behave like this.Well it is TRUE and there are other issues that I pray will come out.Prepare for a bombshell.

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    1. Over the years we have heard similar reports.

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  16. I think it is common knowledge that JPI was eliminated by the powers that be. There are many points of interest regarding his untimely death including no autopsy after such a sudden and unknown cause of death.

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    1. Does Bergie think he's safe at Santa Marta? The curia's got more than a millennium of experience in handling problem pontiffs.

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  17. Yep, you got that right! Choose your weapon, or in this case poison.

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  18. AnonymousMarch 28, 2017 at 11:03 PM

    Stated and Warned:
    ..."The trouble is most folk in CMRI are brain dead and could not believe their so-called bishop would behave like this.Well it is TRUE and there are other issues that I pray will come out.Prepare for a bombshell".



    REEKS of Good Old Schuckhardt Days!

    Nothing surprises me what will rise. or fall from a poor foundation.

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  19. Bishop Giles Butler (Franciscans Strict Observance)
    have a mission Chapel in Union,KY.
    You all should try them as their magazine "The Seraph' and Bishop Giles audio sermons seem Catholic and sensible.
    I don't know these Clergy but its worth a try.If they had a chapel near me I would definitely give it shot.

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    1. Do you know if he possesses multiple lineages or is he Thį»„c-line only?

      Although at present we consider the Thį»„c line valid, we believe the safest course is to have as many lines as possible, just in case something else comes to light. Single lineages are fraught with dangers.

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    2. Butler-Vezelis-Musey-Carmona-Thuc

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    3. We'd suggest he look for a bishop with multiple lines and ask to be consecrated sub conditione. If he does, he'll be in a much better position than Tradzilla, the Jellyfish, "One-Hand," and the Pivmeister. There are many good men out there with multiple lineages. Plus he should want to be sure he is in the Rebiba line of Apostolic succession.

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    4. Bishop Vezelis was a Franciscan from 1955-1980.
      He trained his priests well.
      Check out the Seraph magazine online and The Catholic hour radio Lubbock Texas.
      These men know their theology they aren't amateurs.

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    5. We don't know about Giles' training. Was he a student of Vezelis, or did he attend an approved Catholic institute of higher learning before he joined Vezelis?

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    6. I don't know but I personally hope he didn't
      The current mood of higher institutions of catholic learning is anti-catholic communist Jewish mysticism.

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    7. Look into the online Seraph Magazine and the Catholic Radio Hour Lubbock Texas.(hosted by Fr.Joseph Noonan)
      Bp.Vezelis trained his priests as he was trained.Bp.Vezelis was in charge of Franciscans in Korea for nearly 20 yrs.
      I don't know these priests and yes Bp.Vezelis made a claim for jurisdiction that he didn't legally have as he had no church office.
      That was a long time ago and their priests do not claim jurisdiction now that he is gone.
      After reading and listening to their material I wish they had a Chapel near my city.
      They are competent knowledgeable and intelligent.
      It surprises me they aren't as popular as say Bps.Sanborn Dolan because they are much more grounded and Cayholic than the afore mentioned clerics.

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    8. Dannie and Big Don aren't popular. They're just better known. But who wants that kind of publicity? And who wants to be associated with them? The Jellyfish, maybe, but that's all.

      In our experience, the low-keyed independents are usually the best.

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