Saturday, January 28, 2017

GUTLESS WONDERS


The Master said, A fierce expression outside and cowardice within: if we seek an analogy among small men, such a one would be like a robber leaping over a wall or boring through it. Analects of Confucius (R. Eno's translation)

Unwittingly, PL set off a landslide of e-mails after a Reader commented that MHT's January schedule revealed Tradzilla himself would be at the Highland, MI, cult center on the 29th. As far a we know, the Donster had previously invaded St. Dominic's only for Bp. McKenna's Requiem, which reportedly had been closed to non-family and non-"clergy." But this week the Highlanders, who founded their chapel as the Flushing Rat was following the Big Boss to the Swampland, must suffer the arrogant, filth-obsessed sermonizing of someone they at one time in the not far distant past condemned in the harshest terms possible. (Click here for a little more background.)

Virtually every single message we received voiced outrage at the flagrant hypocrisy of the Jellyfish and the Highlanders. None believed this melancholy rapprochement to be the result of a Christian desire on the part of former blood enemies to make peace and forgive. The feelings of resentment must still be brutally painful on both sides. How could it be otherwise following all the vicious accusations, many unprintable in a family blog like PL?

This cynical union seems to be one of self-serving convenience: The Jellyfish may need a vacation or a visit home, while Tradzilla and his Tradpanzee "clergy" probably need another satellite. There could be a big payoff in it if the Jellyfish propels itself back to its native habitat after surrendering the corporation. (Rumor was that the chapel was sitting on a substantial building fund. Maybe it's still intact, at least in part?)

Tradfolks' indignity over hypocrisy surprised us.  IOHO, PL's correspondents should've been more disgusted at the spinelessness of it all. Over 12 years ago, one of Highlanders cheekily confronted Big Don with a challenge to practice "humility, justice, prudence and financial stewardship to the betterment of [his] followers." (The letter was classified as "mortally sinful.") Another insolently called out the Donster with the insult, "'the fish stinks from the head down.'" But in 2017, the Highlanders, who used to have nothing good to say about or to Tradzilla, must eat their words by tolerating his sneering, scolding, strutting presence in what used to be their chapel. (And the collection on January 29 will probably pay for his stipend and travel expenses, too.)

Their rolling over like whipped curs is something we can't quite understand. After all, we were sure they weren't fools. They remember the Donster; they're aware he hasn't forgotten how his "own household...[was] silently working against" him. The bill for payback hasn't yet been mailed, but when it does arrive, it'll be high. That's why anyone would've thought that hypocrisy would be the last thing to stir up folks' ire. (At the top of our list is poltroonery and alarming forgetfulness.)

That got the Readers to thinking and, naturally, to reading (that's what we do best). Just what is it about hypocrisy that inflames moral fury so?

We found the answer in new research from Yale, which will be published in the journal Psychological Science. In brief, the investigators (Jordan, Sommers, Rand, Bloom) found that observers can't stand it when others convey a false sense of their own virtue by self-righteous moralizing.  Our correspondents, we surmise, don't buy that everybody up in the Wolverine State is forgiving and forgetting out of Christian charity, moved by the divine imperative to patch things up with a wayward brother who's caused grievous offense. We agree. In the first place, the Donster hasn't done penance. Therefore, our correspondents must suspect that something else, something far less virtuous, is afoot.

Applying the Yale researchers' conclusion that it's better to admit your shortcomings rather than wrap yourself in a mantle of morality, PL thinks it would've been safer to confess the renewed relationship between the Jellyfish and Tradzilla has everything to do with expediency and nothing to do with Christian behavior. Tradistan has been under assault since Dannie and Checkie brought on the 2009 SGG School Scandal. It will never be the same again. For both parties, then, there's a pragmatic benefit in Highland's submission, even if it means its subsequent absorption into the SGG-Swampland cult. That's not too noble sounding, we know, but it's something students of Tradistan can accept as grounded in reality. Then they can forget the blatant hypocrisy and move on to the real reason for burying the hatchet with Tradzilla:

chickenheartedness.

We had always considered the Highlanders a breed apart owing to their die-hard antagonism to the despised Tradzilla. (Very few families escaped some form of pain.) For that reason, we can't help concluding they're now as scummy as the Gerties. However, all's not lost yet. There's still a chance for them to redeem their violated personhood and bruised self-esteem ... if they follow these three steps:
First, no one should assist at the Highland chapel tomorrow (Jan. 29). Let the Donster just stare in defiance at the grimly frowning "nuns," as he smirks back at their glowering, tear-filled eyes: their only real champion and protector is dead, so Tradzilla's home free to do or say whatever he wants without risk of exposure. The Highlanders' staying away will be then an act of charity: the "sisters" won't have to suffer mortification in public while the Donster won't have an audience to witness his gloating triumph over these humiliated women.
Second, have a delegation waiting at the Jellyfish's office the day it floats back in town.  Better wait in your cars in the parking lot so the Dragon Lady can't warn Its Gelatinacy to stay in hiding.
Third, when the human hyrdozoan arrives, tell it to grow a backbone. Then demand it get rid of Tradzilla as well as Junior. Inform the Jellysfish that you, the laity, will be taking over Saint Dominic's. If Jelly hedges or tries to sting, tell the icky little creature you're prepared to be very nasty, if it won't coöperate. That'll get its attention! (Don't worry if it undulates back to Long Island: there are plenty more "priests" and "bishops" willing to take Its Mucilagency's place.)
Tomorrow and the following week are make-or-break for the Highlanders. They can stand up now, or lose it all. Let's see if they can reclaim their independence, save their chapel, and show they're higher-order mammalian vertebrates, not galliformes.

74 comments:

  1. They were once smart enough to open a bank account with a similar name to Don's chapel in order to cash the checks and start their own church, according to Don. Why are they not smart enough to stay away?

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  2. I believe there is a parishioner at Highland with "old money" who decends from a mega wealthy family in Michigan
    I also do believe the person is quite independent of anyone's influence
    I think money is no problem in those parts but certainly tightly locked down

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  3. You sound so burned that the people in Highland aren't running their chapel the way you want.

    They are rebelling against you!

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    1. We wish they were running the chapel the way they want, rather than the way Big Don tells the Jellysfish to run it. If only they would rebel! They're gonna lose it all, if they're not vigilant.

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    2. I know for certain that doesn't happen
      You gossip

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    3. No, we call it as we see it. And we see it clearly. Open your eyes.

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    4. You are able to give an example as to how Donald Sanborn tells Robert Neville how the chapel is to be run?
      Or is it guilt by association?

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    5. Let's just say that we know Big Don has — and has had for quite some time —real leverage. It explains much of what happened at the end of 2009 and in early 2010 and now. There's no guilt by association. It's by subordination. And Soeur Coudre may well be the key.

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    6. I tell you he has no leverage

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    7. "We wish they were running the chapel the way they want, rather than the way Big Don ..."

      If this chapel is run by the lay people then by definition it is being run the way the lay people want.

      And yes, nice move pretending to have some secret dirt on this story. Sorry but that line is getting a little tired by now.

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    8. But it's not run by laypeople. Check out the articles of incorporation — the ones filed on March 20, 2004, not the ones certified on November 20, 2003. If 10:28 or 1:26 is a Highlander, then either or both should have received copies of those documents if they were sent Don's letter dated February 23, 2005. The March 2004 article contains the additional provision that "No lay persons...shall have any authority over, directorship of, management of, or financial control over this corporation" (viz. Saint Dominic Chapel, Inc.).

      And we're not pretending to have "secret dirt." We matter-of-factly replied to a comment that WE know from our own experience, inductions, and what's been told to us that Tradzilla indeed has plenty of leverage. We don't ask 10:28 to give his/her reasons for denying our proposition. If he/she denies it, that's his/her opinion, and that's OK by us. After all, this is just a comments forum, not the editorial page of journal of philosophy. It's fine just to make assertions here. Probably 10:28, like PL, has his/her own anecdotal evidence for saying there's no leverage. Good! We've both made our points. PL can tolerate differences of opinion. In spite of 10:28's assertion, we're comfortable with our conclusion that there is and always has been leverage, and 10:28 is probably comfortable with his/her position that there hasn't.

      The post itself wasn't about our reasons for so thinking. We'd've had to serialize it if that had been our objective, for they are long and detailed. The purpose of the post was to motivate the Highlanders to stand up for their independence and show the Donster the door before it's too late. They joined that chapel to escape Big Don, and they remember all the heartache they went through. They know that Tradzilla always does things to benefit Tradzilla.

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    9. What leverage does Bp. Sanborn have over the Highland parish?

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    10. No nothing to fear
      They have resources that are beyond anyone's ability to steal if there is an attempt

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    11. We're not talking about fear of losing resources. That's too tangible and, as you say, subject to protections to keep them away from the acquisitive.

      We're talking about impalpable, psychological fear. Like a child's fear of the bogeyman, it may appear to others ridiculous. But to the child, the phantom is a real terror, more real than if it were made of flesh and blood. The cunning Donster knows who fears him — who has always feared him — and that's his leverage. And fear can wear away at the strongest of safeguards. It only takes one weak link for an adamantine chain to fail.

      You must ask yourself whether it's true that the chapel's resources are actually safe from any attack, or is there one weak link?

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  4. All these one chapel bishops who were always being ASKED to wear miters (at least Sanborn no longer claiming that): "In June of 2004, The Most Reverend Robert F. McKenna, O.P. asked Father Neville to receive episcopal consecration. In July of 2004, Father Neville established Saint Dominic Chapel in Highland, Michigan. In December of 2004, after considerable prayer and hesitation, Father Neville agreed to receive episcopal consecration.. At present, Bishop Neville ministers to the faithful of Saint Dominic Chapel in Highland, where he continues in the capacity of confessor and spiritual director to the Dominican Sisters."
    http://www.stdominicchapel.com/clergy.php

    "In 1992 Bp. Pivarunas, with a view towards assisting clergy formerly belonging to SSPX, asked Fr. Dolan to receive episcopal consecration. After considerable hesitation, Fr. Dolan agreed in mid-1993...Bishop Dolan continues to serve as Pastor of St. Gertrude the Great Church in Cincinnati, Ohio."
    http://www.traditionalmass.org/priests/dolan.php

    "In June, 2002, he (Donald Sanborn) was consecrated a bishop by the Most Rev. Robert F. McKenna, OP...The long-term goal is that Most Holy Trinity Seminary, a novitiate of the Sisters of Saint Thomas Aquinas, and Queen of All Saints Academy occupy the original forty-eight acres which he purchased in 2003. Such a combination of facilities in one location would make for a vibrant parish life, a fine school, and rich and beautiful liturgical ceremonies."
    http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/bpsanbornbio.html

    "Some Baptists also have begun taking on the title of Bishop. In some smaller Protestant denominations and independent churches, the term bishop is used in the same way as pastor, to refer to the leader of the local congregation, and may be male or female. This usage is especially common in African-American churches in the USA."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop

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    1. Very apropos — and tongue in cheek. Of course, the "asking" is always done (or lobbied for) by the recipients, although that's never made public. What a fiction!

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  5. Bishop Sinborn will decimate this Chapel and for any who think vengeance isn't part of his make-up you haven't been paying attention!

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  6. Tradzilla is like a cancer cell seeking gathering all the good cells to it self to destroy any semblance of True Catholicity of the now corrupted Chapel (cell)

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    1. How right both comments are! That's why we said this was a do-or-die moment. We don't believe for one moment he's forgotten that "the plan to break away from me and from Our Lady Queen of Martyrs was already afoot in the autumn of 2003, if not earlier...." Remember, he wrote it was "deplorable that not a single one of these parishioners...had the decency and forthrightness to come and tell me, face to face, what their grievances and accusations were...."

      Tradzilla is not the type to forget. He's not one to turn the other cheek. He once wrote regarding the Jellyfish, "We should ostracize him...Sometimes it is necessary to make an example of people." Does anyone honestly think he's going to forego his pound of flesh, when he believed that he had been truly wronged and an example is still crying out to be made? The Donster is just waiting, and he's not going to put out of mind all those heated letters from laymen accusing and convicting a "bishop" under the name of fraternal correction. If our guess is right, these are offenses that must still be punished. Once Junior gets his two-bishop consecration, it'll be no more Mr. Niceguy.

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  7. AnonymousJanuary 28, 2017 at 8:27 PM

    Alleges:

    ..."In 1992 Bp. Pivarunas, with a view towards assisting clergy formerly belonging to SSPX, asked Fr. Dolan to receive episcopal consecration. After considerable hesitation, Fr. Dolan agreed in mid-1993...Bishop Dolan continues to serve as Pastor of St. Gertrude the Great Church in Cincinnati, Ohio."
    http://www.traditionalmass.org/priests/dolan.php..."

    Pardon the Pun, but this is like CNN reporting the news. Don't make me laugh! I happened to have been around when the Mighty Miter was negotiated by Cekada for Dolan to get the coveted Headdress before Bishop Kelly. Get your facts straight! This was a quest between 3 Irishmen wanting the Money Miter first.



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    1. And once Dannie got his miter, he kicked the Lithuanian to the curb.

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  8. The ReaderJanuary 29, 2017 at 7:49 PM

    Charitably responded:

    "And once Dannie got his miter, he kicked the Lithuanian to the curb.."

    To the curb he landed, and by rights should stay,for he sold his principles to the devil that day.

    What does the devil do? But use and abuse!



















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  9. "I happened to have been around when the Mighty Miter was negotiated by Cekada for Dolan to get the coveted Headdress before Bishop Kelly."

    So are you saying that Cekada changed his mind on the legitimacy of the Thuch lineage (not to mention the CMRI!) due to a personal animosity for Kelly?

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  10. Exactly!
    To quote Fr. Cekada, " Three bishops in every garage" He wrote an extensive expose on the Illegitimacy of the Thuc line, until he got wind that Kelly was going for the Miter. Then it was off to the races to see who would come in first for the MONEY MAKING MITER.

    In fairness to Kelly he never wavered on his position regarding the Thuc line, unlike Fr. Cekada's opportunistic 180.

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    1. Back then, everybody was after Méndez for a miter. They were furious when Kelly won.

      Speaking of Checkie's 180, there's nothing funnier than his interview with Heiner where he "explains" his former opposition to the Thuc line. It's hilarious especially where he praises Thuc's Latin! (Our post of January 26, 2013, TRUST NOT IN WRONG, provides a link.

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    2. Everyone was after Bishop Mendez for a miter?
      That makes zero sense given Dolan received his in 1993 and no one knew about Mendez until 1995.
      I don't know these men personally like you but I do know the time line.
      If the Thuc line is invalid,they're all invalid.
      Some of the Men who claim to be consecrated by Bishop Thuc have no evidence he consecrated them.You're basically taking these guys word over any documentation.
      Secondly,the sins of the consecrator are not passed on to the candidate.
      I wish every traditional Catholic order would drop the endless polemics,hard feelings,and work together.
      I personally find all 3 major lines to be valid and catholic.(I forgot to add the Bishop Hnilica line is perfectly fine too)
      I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else involved.

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    3. Valid or invalid, I don't know. What I do know is the thuc line seems to be plagued with scandals and "bishops" who tend to overstep their boundaries.

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    4. Anon 1:02

      You definitely need to check your records. Méndez, aka Méndez-González and González had been around in TradNation long before he died on January 29, 1995. Long before that, cult leaders were urging him in writing to consecrate someone before he died. Big Don knew him very well, and he was known to visit MI. Méndez consecrated Kelly on October 19, 1993, although it wasn't announced until after his death. But there are no secrets in Traddielandia so the word was out.

      As to the lineages, including most from Duarte Costa, we're with you on validity except for the Thuc line through "One Hand Dan." We have some real doubts on that one. Our preference, however, is for "bishops'" who enjoy multiple lineages, just to be safe.

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    5. Anonymous January 31, 2017 at 1:02 PM:

      As further proof that Méndez G was active with the trads much earlier than you affirm, please see Tony Baloney's article titled "Bishop Mendez and the 1990 SSPV Ordinations":

      (http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=90&catname=14

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    6. I know he was around the scene somewhat BUT no one except the 5 SSPV priests knew about about the consecration for almost 2 years,this Is my point.(Bishop Dolan consecration was 2 years before Bishop Kelly)
      As for Bishop Thuc "scandals" please re-read my comment.
      Lastly,yes Bishop Kelly was validily consecrated.With that said,look into Bishop Mendez' past,he was the furthest idea away from a solid traditionalist.
      I see both Dolan & Kelly as valid bishops and have no axe to grind with anyone,including this blog.

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    7. Believe us, there were efforts long before Kelly to get MG to consecrate someone a "bishop." Kelly just was shrewder.

      According to information we have, Dannie was "consecrated" on November 30, 1993 and Kelly on October 19, 1993, more than a month before Dannie. You'll probably want adjust your understanding of the timeline.

      Although we agree that Kelly is valid and that most Thuc "bishops" are valid, we cannot be certain that Dannie is valid. Our doubt is not based on Thuc lineage but rather on the reports of one-handed sacerdotal ordination in 1976. If he's ever conditionally re-ordained and re-consecrated, we'll assent to his validity (but not suitability).

      As for your remark about the scandals, perhaps Anon. 1:27, may want to reply to your reference.

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    8. I was under the impression Mendez consecration was secret until 1995,that's why I said "according to the timeline"

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  11. Thanks for the memories!

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  12. So sad, but shouldn't be surprised after Cekada's firing and then deporting priest he'd helped train and longtime SGG staff just for telling the truth.

    "As regards Fr. Ramolla's trial with CIS on May 19, the lawyer thinks that because their cases are essentially the same, the outcome for Fr. R. will be the same as it was for Bernie Hall: CIS will "allow" Fr. Ramolla to depart "voluntarily" within a certain period of time -- though perhaps a little more than the 60 days Bernie got. Thus the principal points of how the lawyer reads the situation. He's been handling our immigration work for nearly twenty years now, and he's almost always been right, so I think this is probably the way things will end up. -- Fr. Cekada
    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/Removing-All-Doubt

    "As for those who have left us, I do not know what they will do ultimately, because it seems that Father Ramolla is in the process of being deported. (The employment status he had with us, it appears, was not transferable.)"
    http://www.fathercekada.com/page/6/?q=roulette-player

    Topping it off is the St. Clare thievery:
    "The one in Columbus (St. Clare) ended up being sold (without the parishioners’ knowledge or consent) by Dolan and Cekada, who then pocketed the proceeds ($320,000). In addition, they also confiscated St. Clare’s building fund ($123,664), plus their operating fund ($19,330). I don’t know what the reader would call these actions; but where most folks come from, they're called theft. St. Clare’s parishioners, now dispossessed of their church, currently hold services in a rented building, with a priest (who, by the way, was also discarded by Dolan) saying Mass for them.

    http://thelaypulpit.blogspot.com/2013/10/well-ok-he-got-schiavo-wrong-but.html

    http://sggscandal.com/frcekada/bastaja.htm

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  13. One thing you can always count on, and that is, that "history always repeats itself".

    Caution: The snake is recoiling right now!

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    1. How wrong Checkie was about the deportation as well as about everything else. Rambozo never was deported at all. Much later he went back to Germany of his own accord, but now he's returned Dannie's backyard, and he's a "bishop" too, slowly recruiting more and more followers and swallowing up cash resources..

      We agree that the snake is recoiling. It has never been able to recover from the effects of the 2009 SGG School Scandal, and resources are getting scarcer and scarcer. Plus Tradzilla's making a big move that threatens Dannie's ever shrinking turf. Dannie doesn't dare go after the CMRI outpost in Lebanon, but he can target Rammy's growing enclave. He's never forgotten that the Ramster's rebellion resulted in the demise of SGG. Rammy was popular and has a winning personality. He'll be the perfect alternative for those who are contemplating exiting SGG.

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  14. Anon 1:27 here. As I said, validity aside: I'm talking about all the scandals associated with the Thuc line priests: sgg school, MHT school, a priest impregnating and being relieved at an abortion, money laundering, stealing a church's funds, lack of a quality education in two of the seminaries, priests going behind other priests' backs and stealing money and even parishioners from each other, forcing girls into a convent, a priest standing up and protesting another priest's ordination, priests not knowing how to say a correct mass, taking pleasure in revoking someone's immigration status, scandal with a priest having relations within a convent, priests perpetuating abuse, etc. The list goes on and on with these priests.

    That's hard to overlook the many scandals associated with these priests, and that isn't even going back to all of Thuc's scandals of consecrating homosexuals and noncatholics.

    I have also seen priests talk behind many other priests and parishioners' backs about validity, false rumors, and spreading false scandals about each other. I've been around for quite some time, and I have never been surprised when another scandal comes up within the thuc line priests.

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    1. Bishop Thuc consecrating a homosexual is a nasty vile rumor.The day he was supposed to have "consecrated this homosexual" Bishop Thuc is proven to have been in a different area of Europe that day,do the research!
      4 of these supposed consecrations can not be proven.People are going on these men's words without any proof!
      Third,scandal exists in the Novus ordo,SSPX,& Sede chapels.
      You can't allow a few bad clerics to generalize an entire orders of priests.
      Not every man in the Novus Ordo is a pedophile,you get what I am saying?
      Bishop Mendez wasn't the model of a disciplined holy traditional cleric however, he was a valid Bishop and consecrated a valid bishop the day he laid hands on Bishop Kelly & recited the 16 word formula.
      Don't let a few bad actions or people decide the entire church or religious orders.
      I say this not in anger but in trying to help you realize its not hopeless and that people can start a vile rumor that may or may not be true.

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  15. The ReaderJanuary 31, 2017 at 12:09 PM
    Suggests:

    "...He'll be the perfect alternative for those who are contemplating exiting SGG."

    As long as you don't mind losing your daughters or wives or your secret sins in the confessionals, along with your pockets being picked to satisfy a bloated whim of his.

    Most idiots are liked!





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    1. That's why he's the perfect alternative: Sheep like being fleeced, they just change the shearer.

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  16. The Reader February 1, 2017 at 5:46 PM

    Declared:

    That's why he's the perfect alternative: Sheep like being fleeced, they just change the shearer.

    Bull's-eye!

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  17. AnonymousFebruary 1, 2017 at 11:32 AM

    Testifies to some of the following horrors:
    "...taking pleasure in revoking someone's immigration status, scandal with a priest having relations within a convent, priests perpetuating abuse, etc. The list goes on and on with these priests..."

    Personally I think this is one of the saddest statements that I have ever read from a parishioner who has been scandalized beyond the pale.

    What kind of Catholics are we?

    I am so sorry that this person has been exposed to just about every vile act known to a soul in just trying to practice his/her Faith.

    I don't know what can be done to protect the innocent anymore, but I would like this person to know that there are good priests out there. They are few and far between, but they are there. Please keep praying for our Church. It is certainly being raped not only by Rome, but by those who claim to be her defenders in the Traditional Movement.

    Home alone is beginning to look better and better.

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    1. You're right to note that there are some decent trad "priests," but there are too few to help most traditional Catholics, who for the most part must deal with monsters.

      Perhaps one day someone will use the internet to establish a means for home-aloners to practice their faith more fully without having to come into contact with such men as 2/1 11:32 describes.

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    2. We have to agree with the above comments.We have heard so many horrors with sede clerics that it is just rotten to the core.One low life piece of scum ordained by Pivarinter is well known for damaging souls.In fact several who had once supported him have gone back to the mainstream Church and attend the FSSP.One plot to cover his wrongdoing is to tell others to have nothing to do with these trouble makers.It is the right and duty of any lay person to speak up and voice concern when they see bad.Thanks to the efforts of this website and it's staff these bad and evil "bishops" and "priests" are being exposed.Thanks be to God.

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  18. There is an Old Roman Catholic bishop who often celebrates a Trent mass on the Internet. I believe he uses Latin instead of the Knott Missal which was the normal use of the ORCC since the days of + Bernard Mary Williams of blessed memory.

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    1. If only Mgsr Bugnini approached his commission for renewing the liturgy as providing a good translation of the Mass (something along the lines of the Knott Missal), not the Protestant dog's dinner we got.

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    2. Yes, that's very nice. We also greatly admire the translation of the Gregorian Canon in the Anglican Missal. It's a little more faithful to the Latin.

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  19. Is he an Old Catholic? If so weren't they condemned by St. Pius X?

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    1. Although we don't know too much about the Old Catholic movement other than what we read in college as part of a course on Church history, we are never surprised at the many parallels between them and the sedes.

      The most common trait is that both the OCs and the sedes are religious societies completely separate from the Roman Catholic Church, and may not assert legal claims to any privileges, rights, funds, or properties pertaining to the Church.

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    2. This is an interesting claim. The Old Catholics are not only an excommunicated sect, but reject the dogma of papal infallibility, making them heretics too.

      Sedevacantists are just trying to keep the Faith when the modernists in Rome have rejected it. They keep all the doctrines of the Faith, recognize its lawful authority, and have never been excommunicated by anyone holding office in the Church.

      By the way, your "pope" doesn't believe Church teaching on the Sacrament of Matrimony. Does that make him a heretic?

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  20. Any update on the trip Down Under to Australia by big Don last month PL?I expect it was a flop.

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    1. Tradzilla devoted the whole of the current pesthouse newsletter to the trip here:

      http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/SCSF%20January%202017.pdf

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  21. You may be interested to know that Down Under in New Zealand there is now a FSSP priest who is well trained and working very hard.From friends down there we are told he is working very hard .There is also three New Zealand men in the FSSP seminary.

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    1. That's great news. We hope these Levites will one day run the CMRI and Big Don out of NZ and Australia.

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  22. 100 % correct Reader.These good folk supporting this priest would not go anywhere near Big Don/CMRI.This priest's name is Father Anthony Summich and from all accounts a real man.Google his name.

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    1. Will do! Now if only somebody can help the folks in Melbourne and Sydney. Just read Big Don's latest report on his adventures Down Under HERE.

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    2. Anon Feb 2 at 7:45 PM

      Big deal !!!

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    3. Anon February 2 at 8:02 PM

      Man first before Priest. It works both ways, choose anyone and leave others out.

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    4. Reader Feb 2 at 7:48 PM

      No way, mate.

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  23. Just finished reading Big Dons Newsletter.We were shocked to see him mention Gilchrist.We had hoped the folk in Melbourne and Brisbane had dumped him.Does Big Don know about his background and damage on Souls.We know details about his evil behavior that is so disgusting that PL would not allow it to be printed here.Gilchrist must of lost some folk as that Melbourne group was almost 100.Any details Reader/PL.

    Great news about the 3 Down Under FSSP seminarians at Denton,NE.We have heard there are several more NZ men at their pre-seminary house in Sydney.They know about Gilchrist.

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    1. Those in Australia & NZ are fine.
      Hope you are too.
      Just keep on praying.

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    2. We can't imagine Tradzilla's not knowing about G, since they monitor this blog and the comments section. However, someone might try emailing him all the information at piuspapax@gmail.com., the address his newsletter gives.

      You shouldn't get your hopes up, though. Years ago he was sent a "tell-all" letter from a former Écône seminarian, and nothing happened.

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  24. AnonymousFebruary 2, 2017 at 11:08 PM
    Wrote:

    "...We know details about his evil behavior that is so disgusting that PL would not allow it to be printed here.Gilchrist must of lost some folk as that Melbourne group was almost 100.Any details Reader/PL..."


    I would like to know all the news on Gilchrist. If you think it is too shocking for this blog can you email the Reader @ pistrinalit@gmail.com.

    Then I could email the Reader and retrieve what I believe to be necessary information to protect ourselves from these so called shepherds.

    Unfortunately we only have word of mouth to protect ourselves.

    I for one hope you will post on this blog. I am sure the staff at PL will edit if necessary. We need to be informed, especially in these times. Thank You.

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    1. In these times, we need to pray.
      God has the last word.

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  25. Google Bishop Jerome Lloyd on YouTube. He's a bit too baroque for my Anglican tastes but seems to use the pre-1962 use.
    The FSSP does offer an Ap for their services.
    Not perfect but better than it was for those who left in 1970.

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    1. We looked at his Mass for St. Polycarp. After the prayers at the foot of the altar, he omitted the prayers Aufer a nobis and Oramus te, Domine and went straight to the Introit, saying Oremus awhile still at the foot!. Perhaps this is the Old Catholic practice, but it's not pre-1962 use. (BTW, Missals from the '60s still printed the oration and the formula for kissing the altar.) He did greet the altar with a kiss before the Introit. We didn't have time to watch the remainder of the video. Perhaps we'll do it later.

      We must give him credit for the speed of recitation and his pronunciation. Much better than the stammering sedes who can't trill their r's or pronounce erat correctly (É-rat, not e-RÁT as so many Latinless sede bumpkins say.)

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  26. AnonymousFebruary 3, 2017 at 1:20 AM

    Wrote:

    "In these times, we need to pray.
    God has the last word."

    Prayer goes without saying, but our job is to Know, Love and Serve God. The only way I know how to get to know something or someone, is to ask, seek and then hopefully through prayer do we find.

    There is no doubt who has the last word. I am trying to make sure that I serve God in the manner in which it is most holy and pleasing to HIM, and not man.

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  27. Are you sure he didn't say it in silence for yesterday's mass seemed to include three collects etc.

    I wish he used the English pronunciation of Latin which was the custom of the garden of the soul Catholics and even Ampleforth Abbey through the twenties.

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  28. We reviewed the tape, and, yes, it is likely he said them inaudibly. He did say Oremus, so it's definitely right to assume he did not omit them. When we looked at the video carefully on a larger screen, we think we saw him extend and rejoin his hands at Oremus while inclined, so we'll have to presume he said the Aufer and Oramus te very, very rapidly. When we first viewed the video, we said the prayers secretly and quickly , but mouthing every word distinctly, to time him. However, he was over to the book we before we were done. But after your remark, we decided he probably was just faster than we. Also, his ascent to the altar seemed to be from the Epistle side rather than straight ahead, which also led to our doubtlessly mistaken interpretation. Since at the end of the prayers he seemed to be adjusting something on the steps, he may have ascended somewhat obliquely to avoid stepping on the object (a copy of the prayers?).

    As Americans, we were schooled in the strongly Italianate pronunciation, but we do know of the English tradition of pronunciation, and so we sympathize with your preference (which goes back a long way well before the matter was somewhat settled by a papal letter.)

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    1. Who cares what this heretic said in his "Mass"? It was an abomination before God.

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  29. AnonymousFebruary 4, 2017 at 3:15 PM

    Declared:

    "Who cares what this heretic said in his Mass? It was an abomination before God."

    Truer words were never written!

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    1. True. It was odious. We'll bet the same may be said of some sede Masses .

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