Maybe tomorrow (pum, pum, pum, pum) /A new romance (pum,pum, pum, pum) ... Roy Orbison and Joe MelsonThe Readers deserved a good laugh.
Two consecutive posts, one on Tradzilla's oppressive school rules and the other on his imminent mutation into a wrath-mouthed "Superior General," left us traumatized at these mockeries of Roman Catholicism.
That's why it came as a welcome distraction to read on www.$GG.cult that
This summer, we are hosting a young adult get-together. We hope to draw Traditional Catholics from across the country. Visit our event website for more information.Mildly amused, we hastily clicked on the link to "YAG in Cincy - Young Adult Get-Together 2017," where $GG promises — for a $50 registration fee — a "fun-filled weekend" in Cincinnati on June 7-9 "to meet like-minded people and have a great time this summer!" (Never mind that the dates fall before the summer solstice, so it'll actually take place in the spring: calendars have never been Dannie's thing, have they?)✦
As you might guess, PL was more than a little curious about what "One-Hand Dan" and his clown crew considered "fun" and a "great time" for "a Traditional Catholic single aged 18-35," who is "feeling isolated." Such an broad spectrum of ages, we surmised, really posed a challenge for the cult's social committee. At that thought, we suddenly knew we'd get the belly laugh we were looking for.
And Dannie didn't disappoint! No siree Bob, he did not.
Once again, His Nesciency proved he's not only out of it theologically, but he's socially unhip as well. All of us were so ROTFL, we could barely manage between fits of mirthful abandon to type the following:
Although the Gerties are still in the planning stages, according to the "YAG" schedule, one of the Saturday night activities is "possibly a square dance." (Yep, you read it right: "a square dance.") Then on Sunday, following the big show, there's "lunch as a group" at the "Golden Corral" (the "Best Buffet in the USA," no doubt the preferred eatery of the ever-hungry "clergy"). After the feeding, the entire herd is off for ...
"Bowling at Gilmore Lanes*"!!
Perfect. That's just perfect. Imaginary 1950s Catholicism coupled with an imaginary 1950s weekend of "wholesome" socializing.
Exactly which demographic cohort is $GG's "YAG" targeting here?
● Hillbillies?Well, while it lasted, we had a blast, Daddy-O (as the cool cats used to say way back in the '50s). The Readers hadn't laughed so much since ... since Deacon Dan called Erroneous Antonius a "scholar and theologian." (Now THAT was a big tickle as well as a panic and a half!)
● Urban trailer trash?
● Sufferers from schizotypal personality disorder?
● All of the above?
But after we picked ourselves up off the floor and regained our composure, the mood quickly turned sour again. O.K., yeah, we did forget about Big Don's excesses — for the moment. But then we were immediately beset by grave concerns for anybody backward enough to attend Social-Director Dan's "Young Adult Get-Together."
Chief among our misgivings is the age-range: there are vast social, life-history, physical, and psychological differences among singles "aged 18-35." Demographically speaking, there are five heterogeneous standard-population age-groups within Dannie's ludicrously wide span, viz., 15-19, 20-24, 25-29, 30-34, and 35-39. Each one is distinct with its own needs and wants. Lumping them all together is a mark of party-planning incompetence.
Hobbled by unmanageable diversity, $GG's money-making "meet and greet" is fated to disappoint — or worse. Do adults in their thirties really want to "hang out" with teenagers or twenty-somethings? Would you, dear ol' Trad Dad, want a "single," 35-year-old, lonesome sedemaniac getting together with your teen-aged daughter? Your teen son? Wouldn't you or your wife be doubly worried if you knew that "[p]articipants are expected to procure their own lodgings"?
At least when your kids are home, you can monitor their online chatroom interactions and prevent them from going out for a face-to-face encounter. But who will shield them as they "meet" and "interact" with "far flung, isolated people," each one of whom is as much of a stranger to your child as that cyber creep lurking behind a disarming screen name decorated with a cute emoji? The only difference being, this time that dangerous weirdo stranger could be seated, grinning and fidgeting, right next to your kid.
The very idea of "YAG in Cincy" is enough to make a decent person GAG.
It's not too difficult to see in the Miss Sede Lonelyhearts lost weekend yet another ill-conceived mind-control cum fundraising scheme. Adding to the comedy is the hilarious display of how out-of-touch the SW Ohio cult is with contemporary life, in both its perils and its pastimes. The 1950s of the cult masters' fancy will never return. They can't.
One reason is that Dannie's version never existed, or if it did, it existed only in one low-brow social stratum. The Readers are older than the cult masters, most having been born in the 1940s, so we experienced more of the Fabulous Fifties than they. By the time the cult kingpins attained the age of reason, the era was ending, as the culture started diving headlong into the Swingin' Sixties.
Take it from us: Li'l Daniel's evocation of the 1950s is hardly to be trusted. His "recollections" of the decade probably come from re-runs of Happy Days. Square dancing, bowling, and all-you-can-eat buffets were not our families' or our schoolmates' families' choice of entertainment. In the upper-middle-class neighborhoods in the newly established 'burbs, those déclassé recreations were associated with a certain population segment no upwardly-mobile Catholic youngster wanted to meet or would consider as the gene pool from which to fish for a mate.
As we see it, the cult masters aren't interested in providing "support groups of like-minded people," otherwise they would've dug a little deeper to come up with something more appealing to today's young trad. Verbal nods to youth culture like "hang out" and "check your phone at the door" won't make $GG's Monsters' Ball any cooler — or safer.
No, Dirtbag's "YAG," it appears to us, represents an awkward attempt to corral fresh donors to replace those who've left the cult. It's another "$ocial $unday," but this time the cult masters have designs on the wallets of outsiders who don't know them.
Good traditional Catholics should join with PL in stopping "YAG in Cincy." Supposedly 12 chumps have already registered (7 "guys" and 5 "gals"), so swift action is called for. If anyone at your Mass center is thinking of participating or has already registered, intervene at once, whether through direct counseling or by talking to parents. You'll also want to warn any nubile young thangs that, under the FACTS tab on the "event website," $GG suggests the "YAG" weekend "might be as good a place as any 'to get her.'"
Bear in mind the targeted loners are the most vulnerable type of loser you can find. A well-adjusted young Catholic adult would have dismissed "One-Hand's" cornball invitation without giving it a second thought, particularly after learning "Father McKenna will be overseeing the religious aspects of this year's YAG." So you see, it's up to all of us to make sure Dannie once more throws a party that nobody attends.
It's no laughing matter. Word from the bird.
✦ CORRECTION: "YAG" will take place in JULY, not June as reported. Editor.
* Is it sheer coincidence that the bowling alley is located very, very close to Jungle Jim's upscale gourmet food emporium in Fairfield, Ohio? Are the cult-masters hinting at a side excursion, where participants could show their "gratitude" by pickling up a few thank-you gifts from the well-stocked cheese aisle? While the "clergy" can't tell the difference between Velveeta and Valençay, they'd like to have the participants believe they're true-blue foodies. They're not. They just think food "tastes" better if it's expensive.
Bowling I can understand. I can even make allowances for Golden Corral. But a square dance?!?
ReplyDeleteTaking into account the social origins of the cult masters, we can see your point about bowling and the buffet. Square dancing has us flummoxed. Ordinarily, we would've thought a sock hop more in keeping with the '50s theme. Maybe Big Don has banned even Golden Oldies, so Wee Dan didn't dare.
Deletewell...bowling is still popular in the Midwest, even among Millenials. And Golden Corral has a pretty good selection - also cost-effective if one has growing boys, like I do. But no one I know has the slightest interest in square dancing. I don't think it's part of the curriculum in PE classes anymore.
DeletePerhaps, in keeping with the “Fifties” theme, the young hipsters could do something kind of “American Graffiti” – like a drag race or something. But that would require going to a local drag strip, where they might charge admission (thus cutting into Dannie’s profits). So, a better idea is…. A DEMOLITION DERBY… in – you guessed it -- the SGG parking lot!! (Of course, with the kind of hillbillies that Dannie’s “event” is bound to attract, it’ll be hard to tell the demolished cars from the UNDEMOLISHED ones!)
DeleteBut, what the heck, that’s okay! There could even be a GRAND PRIZE for the first driver to render TONY’s car un-drivable; and, if he “totaled” it, he could get an even BIGGER prize –perhaps an autographed copy of “Work of Human Hands” – or, better still, a PLENARY INDULGENCE! (Dannie has the power to give them, you know.)
Another equally appealing idea might be to hold something on the order of SGG’s cherished old “jog-a-thon” – except to do a “twist” on it -- the SGG “FLOG-a-thon”!! The Lotarski boys could provide the whips and chains (and also be the “judges”). So, Dannie, go back and put on your “thinking cap,” and come up with something more imaginative – something more in keeping with SGG’s “storied” (make that “sordid”) past!
Instead of a "flog-a-thon", they could offer a Lawrence Welk Show marathon instead...
DeleteDave P.,
DeleteAll we can say is that we never had a square dancing lesson in any school we attended. (One of us, a Bugs Bunny fan, remembered "Hillbilly Hare as her first experience with the dance.) As we were chatting in this morning's editorial meeting, no one here could imagine the nuns or the brothers demonstrating allemande left or do-si-do either.
I wonder what Big Don would say if he knew about some of the singing calls in square dancing, like the verse below:
Roll promenade a shady lady.
Gents roll back, but only one,
Promenade, you're gonna have a little fun.
It ain't no sin to swing and sway,
An' you pickle up a doodle in the middle of the day.
Sounds like the kind of "filth" Tradzilla thunders against.
My wife and I grew up on Long Island. I was never crazy about square dancing but she LOVED it. I recall that the SSPX has also had square dances at their YAG weeks.
DeleteThat must be where $GG got the idea.
DeleteBTW, if it's not prying too much, did your wife learn square dancing in a Catholic school? If she did, about what year was it?
She attended public school. I think she picked it up from friends.
DeleteYou don't have to study square dancing to go and have fun with it.
DeleteSome public schools did have square dancing as part of the P.E. curriculum for elementary and junior high/middle school.
DeleteI had it in public grade school in 1994. We were graded, too.
DeleteYou guys appear to be petty and scratching around for anything to keep your campaign alive.
ReplyDeleteIf you have things of truth and substance to offer, then do so.
But there is no need to act like desperadoes just to keep up weekly posts.
By no means are we desperate for meaningful copy. We have a number of posts waiting for publication at all times. (With Wee Dan and Big Don around, there's never a dearth of useful material.) When something as topical and as significant as "YAG" appears, we publish as soon as it comes to our attention.
DeleteSince you missed the post's point, we'll explain briefly why "YAG" — what a dreadful acronym, so many unfortunate rhymes, don't you agree? — is so vital a post.
First and foremost, young Catholics must be warned to stay away from the cult and its unceasing efforts to brainwash them. Second, the "YAG" events are proof positive of the intellectual and cultural bankruptcy of the SW Ohio cult. It's only a show, and a very bad one at that.
These are substantial and lasting truths that bear repetition whenever possible. The "YAG" post also underscores another major theme of this and other blogs: the cult is NOT Catholic.
Now, it's true we used humor as a vehicle to bring home substantial verities, but a seriocomic tone doesn't diminish the gravity or truthfulness of a message. As playwrights, Cynics, and satirists of antiquity knew, jesting in earnest (σπουδαιογέλοιον) was an effective rhetorical strategy to help people find the truth.
By what definition do you define SGG as a cult?
DeleteWeighing in here having lost place where stopped before hibernating the computer last night and in reconnoitering reached comments attempting to do something I 'need' to counter/address.
DeleteBacked up to reread the thread and stopped here:
1. The gift standing out for me now is PL's ability to stay with unpleasant realities and to actually communicate and manifest in ways that are not stuck - though those responsible are in the main older than some of the commenters.
They are agile.
2. It is hard to continuously focus on the 'bad' but the reality is that over the course of living it is the constriction, pain, confusion that end up being the reality we notice.
Writing as someone who all along wanted to aim high and it is in doing so that the shadows rarely cease being made clear to me.
We are not supposed to 'hate' ourselves. People cause enough trouble for each other without adding that to the mix.
3. So! These guys rock and
4. Yes, do see and have always seen attempts to move within the heavy chains holding him now by Bp. Dolan.
He really does not know what to do about the path he has created other than to endure the pain only partly consciously.
5. It would be best to be more than partly conscious because then he could come up with solutions which would relieve the pain, create a future for himself and take SGG to the next level - maybe someone will demolish it and rebuild - who knows.
That's not my desire, per se. But the building does seem to have been misconceived. The main players wanted to take the easy way out.
6. I have always thought vis a vis dld that sacrifice and the right proportion of joy would be returning to the monastic state.
God wants him exactly where he is right now to educate him and not ENTIRELY to create pain for him to wake him up. It's kind of like a symbiotic relationship - those who are staying and the Bishop.
7. Fr. Cekada is another matter. Ever since I read that he exposed himself nude in front of children in some kind of a recreation/sport changing room effect when all were changing clothes I can't really address his case.
8. In the case of Dolan if his mother were living she might have the ability to pray for him. My doing so gets me too close to the problem with which he copes. Yuck.
9. In the case of Donald Sanborn I experimented briefly with praying.
The thought crossed my mind.
My strong sense of him is that of a soul in turmoil; can see the reasons, and am not sure things are going to change for him suddenly at the time of death.
In the case of DLD I wouldn't say the same.
Even from TRR podcast days sensed that Fr. Cekada and Bp. Dolan had misgivings about Tradzilla's character separate from any other issues.
Back to Dolan. He could begin preparing now in a more direct way, but has the baggage.... and that's the wheels of truth grinding exceedingly fine.
From the former TRRadio subscriber in Honolulu, born protestant granddaughter of Lutheran clergy who plans to move to the mainland.
Anonymous May 13, 2017 at 9:43 PM
ReplyDeleteInaccurately Noticed:
"You guys appear to be petty and scratching around for anything to keep your campaign alive."
I am glad to see that you used the word "appear" in your bogus statement.
Personally, I find it very entertaining when the Staff every now and then, takes a FUNNY BREAK, and just goes with the humorous side of the insanity going on in these asylums. The writing is always excellent, and the intelligent humor is a great blast from the past.
As far as "scratching" goes, I fear as long as Traddie=Ville exists, and the blood suckers continue to entice their victims into their respective castles, P.L. will never be "scratching" around for material.
And as far as your following command goes:
"...If you have things of truth and substance to offer, then do so."
That is all this site has ever done since it began years ago.
All of its substance comes from the TRUTH.
Then your solution is:
"...But there is no need to act like desperadoes just to keep up weekly posts...
It appears to me that you are the "desperado", if you are reading this site, and not learning anything from it, or about it.
P.L. will never run out of material thanks to the likes of you, who say one thing, and do another. You must be sinking in the Swamps!
While you float in the Swamps?
DeleteWhoever complains hasn't read the Archives.
DeleteBetter to float and be breathing, then to be sinking and dying"
ReplyDeleteIs Anon. 9:43 PM for real? (Anon. 6:51 AM’s critique of this creature was EXCELLENT.) Anon. 9:43 PM, you are an opposing debating team’s dream come true: an adversary who is an IDIOT – a veritable study in self-destruction. The fact is, what Pistrina humorously reported about Dannie is all true -- and, as pointed out at the end of the article, NO LAUGHING MATTER. In fact, if the WHOLE truth about Dannie (and Tony) were known, it would be downright SCARY.
DeleteAnd, BTW, Anon. 9:43 PM, thank you: your anal insinuation that Pistrina is “scratching around” for topics to write about actually gave us MORE ideas in that regard! One of our upcoming articles on Lay Pulpit will deal with people like you. It will probably be entitled “You Can’t Fix Stupid.” Thanks to dimwits like you (and Dannie and Tony), we will NEVER run out of material to use!
8:10 AM
DeleteSomeone who is floating and breathing can still exit out first before the one who is sinking.
Reader,
ReplyDeleteToday Dan said, "Matrimony means the 'gift of motherhood.'” Is he right? I couldn't find that meaning in my dictionary.
We don't know where he gets such false etymologies. Obviously he doesn't have access to books on the formation of Latin nouns, which he probably couldn't understand even if he possessed them.
DeleteLane cites -mon-iu-m (=-mon-io-) as a suffix for denominatives, denoting the Quality. Such nouns signify an action, state, or condition.
If matrimonium/matrimony meant "gift of motherhood," then testimonium/testimony would mean "gift of averment." It doesn't. The noun stems are not abstracts, but common nouns.
Trust nothing "One Hand" writes.
BREAKING NEWS
ReplyDeleteThis is a little unusual, we know, but we had to share this news ASAP: The Cinci area now has a world-wide "bishop" to pick up in Europe now that Dannie's no longer welcome there. Here's what we found in today's bulletin for Our Lady of Victory in Mason, Ohio:
Bishop Markus Ramolla will be traveling to Europe visiting Italy, Spain and Germany. He will leave on May 16th and return on July 6th. Bishop Ramolla will be traveling to Verona, Italy in order to ordain Don Marco Rui Alonso to the Holy Priesthood on May 28th. From June 5th to June 12th Bishop Ramolla will be visiting a group of abandoned Traditional Catholic Faithful in Spain and will administer the Sacraments for them. Later on in June he will be visiting another group in Munich to administer various sacraments for them.
At long last, prestige and pan-European recognition return to SW Ohio after the disastrous 2009 $GG $chool $candal, in which the Ramster played the rôle of savior to the alienated faithful. Time for Deacon Dan to retire. Things will be in good hands with Rammy. Or should that be good hand? The Ramster was ordained by "One Hand," so unless he got re-ordained sub conditione, the same dubious lineage will continue.
We wouldn't be surprised if Rammy weren't thinking of forming his own "Institute" in direct competition with Tradzilla. Also, keep your eyes peeled for a possible announcement from Louisville, KY.
Let's have some fun for the sake of Anonymous May 13, 2017 at 9:43 PM, and all like thinkers.
ReplyDeleteHey Boys and Girls, IT’S HOWDY DOODY TIME
Hello Mr. Doody, did you hear the latest?
What’s that Howdy?
Well, all of our Peanut Gallery friends are invited to a Square Dance at the LOCO CORRAL at SGG.
WOW!!!
Now don’t forget Uncle Bob, that Captain Kangaroo and Mr. Green-jeans might even invite “The Lone Ranger”. Who by the way has now taken off his mask and put on his cassock. Maybe he’ll even be one of the chaperones for the Big Hootenanny. After all he is a man who wears many hats.
Hey Howdy, it sounds like a real hoot is a commin our way down at the old Hoedown.
Our gang will actually Rock around the Clock, then Tip Toe through the Tulips, with our Catch of the Day, and all for a $50.00 entrance fee, and a cheap motel room.
Somethings never change!
Hey Captain Bob can I come too?
Of course you can little peanut, but make $$$ure you don’t forget your $tash, otherwise you will not get into the Big $quare Dance.
Yee-haw. And Checkie will play Flub-a-dub and Big Don'll be Buffalo Bob.
DeleteYou've gotta give Rambozo credit for persistence and ambition. What he lacks by way of formation and good breeding he more than makes up for with a relentless drive to outwit his destiny. He was plucked from a garden center in Germany to attend the pesthouse. Not long after completing his second vocational program in B'ville, he toppled "One Hand" and took half his chapel's membership. A few years later, he got himself "consecrated" to become Dannie's equal. Now he's back after self-imposed exile in Germany with a chapel in Dannie's back yard and apostolates all over Europe. There are rumors of an even bigger acquisition on the horizon: no more store fronts for the new Big Kahuna, that's for sure.
ReplyDeleteWe predict he'll be ordaining like it's nobody's business. That group in Munich has candidates for the "priesthood" waiting in line, and the Spaniards are going to need a "priest" of their own soon. Next stops will be Portugal and France.
All that bodes well for a new International "Institutum Athanasianum" under the Ramster's guidance. He'll be no mere "Superior General" like Big Don. Oh, no. We expect he'll style himself "Master General" and Rector Magnificus of the "seminary" he'll continue to run. Soon he'll be the de facto "archbishop" of Tradistan. and will give CMRI a run for its money.
Make no mistake. The Ramster will become a real player on the trad scene, as Dannie and Donnie fade into the sunset and the Jellyfish hides. He's going where no man wanted to enter before, he's staking a claim in everyone's territory, and he doesn't care whose feet he steps on. Maybe the Wee One will have to make a separate peace with his one-time subordinate.
Yes, Anon. is right about Rammy. But the problem is, this Neanderthal has a certain kind of “gemutlicheit” about him; and he also has a “survivor’s instinct.” And in brain-dead Tradistan, that is a deadly combination. (Remember, in the land of the brain-dead, the one-celled organism is king.) P. T. Barnum is supposed to have said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.” Well, in Tradistan, there’s one born every MILLISECOND – so there are plenty to go around for parasites like Rambozo. And those who fall for his crude act deserve everything they get.
DeleteEventually, this pus bag will self-destruct; and the fact that there will be some “collateral damage” is unfortunate -- but that can’t be helped. We just hope that word gets spread around about Rammy, so that the number of people victimized by him is kept to a minimum.
Your analysis is absolutely accurate. He has a primitive charm that many people fall for. In addition, he's got more gall than anyone in Tradistan. After everything that happened with him in the Cinci area, you'd think he would never have shown his face there again. But he came back anyway and has set himself up on the world stage. (We once heard he went to Africa, but we've had no confirmation.)
DeleteFor that, you've got to give him credit. A decent person would have hid his face in shame. And that's why he'll meet with success for a while. True, as you say, he'll self-destruct, with severe consequences for those involved. But for a time, he'll be on a roll serving any trad group that wants holy orders.
We're with you in your hope the damage can be confined to as few of the innocents as possible. In the meantime, one consolation is that his drive to best his former masters Dannie and Donnie will result in substantial setbacks to those cult kingpins. We wouldn't be surprised if Rambozo soon branches out to England and Australia.
I highly doubt anyone at MHT will even be allowed to go to that singles group. These will be made up of SGG's missions only.
ReplyDeleteMHT is aware of the problems at SGG, and they do not want their kids mixing with that mess.
No doubt, you're correct. We're certain they laughed as hard as we did at "YAG."
DeleteOh really. 5 people came from MHT, and 6 more came from MHT-run parishes. MHT and SGG have no trouble with each other, especially considering that Fr. Cekada visited the seminary monthly to teach up until his cancer diagnosis. You people can't even get basic facts straight.
DeleteFrom what has been said, the ones who came from MHT were signed up by others or through coercion. At least 4/6 others you discussed were Eldraucher's.
DeleteAnon july 29, 9:41, your statements make me think you have no idea what goes on between SGG and MHT. On paper, they are together. They do the ceremonies together and MHT does send the nuns up here for catechism (all for a calculated reason to gain $ support for the seminary and convent). Behind clothes doors is an entirely different story.
DeleteIf Rammy is the only show in town I'll take my chances home alone. I would never let that pervert near anyone I love. Hitler was a big show in town too, and let's not forget what happened to him. History will only repeat itself again, and Traddie-ville is no exception to the rule.
ReplyDeleteThe bigger they are the harder they fall.
No miter will protect a thief, and a thief he is, along with a lot of other things.
Activities for ya at mht, according to social media: beaches, music concerts, hookah bars, drinking, pools, beach volleyball, movies, parties, and hanging out...don't let anyone fool you that it's square dancing and bowling. In fact, I doubt the priests in charge would allow any forms of dancing (including square) because it involves touch and music (not that the kids would necessarily follow the rules. A lot of the related school kids are even allowed to have cell phones and listen to rock music, despite clear rules against it.)
ReplyDeleteSo square dancing and Golden Corral are not in the social class activities for the wealthy. I'm not sure what kind of crowds they were trying to attract, but it's not going to attract those who have any kind of prominence in society.
We think the $GG cult masters have resigned themselves to being "apostles to the lower classes." That's the only socio-economic group dumb enough now to believe them.
DeleteWe have the free will, that explains where people go, what they do.
ReplyDeleteBut there are impediments to exercising free will. What else would explain why people follow these scum buckets?
DeleteThat is their funeral.
DeleteGod is at the other end.
One reason might be that they are well aware that your nonsense is lies, and therefore continue to work with the priests at MHT and SGG. You don't have to assign bad motives for EVERYTHING.
DeleteThis might be the most ridiculous post you have written, although the one about the bingo day might be worse. Both do a good job of exemplifying what can happen when somebody harbors deep seated bitterness and hate.
ReplyDeleteI am guessing the Clergy at SGG must have done something to upset you, but you really bring it to a completely irrational and crazy level. Your post though does serve to show your true colors to any reasonable person. Did you used to be a parishioner or did you always hate from afar?
Now let’s break it down:
Age 18-35. Yes your point would be valid if there were hundreds of people coming, but since the trad world is a bit small at this point it makes perfect sense to group things.
Date: You got the date wrong (at least according to the link you posted), thus I guess calendars are not your thing.
Activities: There is nothing wrong with bowling or a square dance. Bowling is still a thing people do. Square dances can be fun even for those that have not been trained or have not done it before. I have been to things like this at an SSPX chapel and it was a lot of fun. The people were not hillbillies or trailer trash, but normal Catholic looking for a good time with other like-minded, similar aged people.
Money: This is not a money-making event. The registration is clearly in line with the provided food, etc.
Personal Attacks: I am sure you have some self-justified reason why you think it is ok to personally attack in a most disrespectful way the Clergy at SGG, however, is the issue you have with them contagious? Is that how you justify personally attacking any parishioners, visitors, “chumps” that may attend an event like this?
Well, you're right about one thing: We did write "June" instead of "July." Our bad, so we take back the remark about the summer solstice. We should have double checked the dates and we are regretful for the slip up. (Dannie still has problems with calendars.)
DeleteAs for the rest, you're wrong. First, the religious entrepreneurs at $GG are not clergy since they have no commission from the Roman Catholic Church. Second, the priestly orders of four of them are dubious. Finally, the history of these men disqualifies them from any respect, and their enablers deserve the same treatment.
Actually, Anon. 2:56 AM, it is YOUR post that’s the most ridiculous that’s ever been written. You IGNORE the MOUNTAIN of evidence about Dannie and the rest of the cult culprits, and focus your magnifying glass on the MOLE-HILL of an incorrect date. And as far as “guessing [that] the clergy at SGG must have done something to upset [us],” well, actually, they’ve upset a WHOLE BUNCH of people – including HALF of SGG’s congregation. (Actually, SGG’s turnover rate is so high, they must keep recruiting new suckers to replace those who [thankfully] have left.) Where have you been, dimwit? Have you been living in a vacuum?
DeleteAnd, BTW, Dannie’s track record as a “social engineer” has been a DISMAL FAILURE – especially with “the younger crowd.” They have left SGG in droves – and the percentage of them that have become social misfits is well above the national average. So, Anon., take your feeble defense of Dannie and his fellow cult "clergy" (and your hypocrisy) elsewhere.
To “The Reader”
DeleteI am curious about your comment about their lack of commission from the Roman Catholic Church. Does any traditional Priest have this? Many traditional priests openly admit that they do not have the normal jurisdiction a priest would have in the good old days, but that is a topic for an entirely different discussion. I may have mistakenly assumed this blog was run by people holding the sede position.
Can you please clarify your position regarding sede/no sede as well as what traditional priests you deem acceptable? (or link to a previous post in which you have done this as I don’t have the time to dig through that many years of posts trying to find it…as much as you write you clearly do have the time :)
If we were to assume all of the priests at SGG are valid priests, would you still argue it is acceptable to speak in that manner you do about them?
Unless we assume that all trads know about a split that happened many years ago or that they all know about and read your blog, is it not a stretch to assume all that attend SGG must just be a bunch of low class losers?
If those that attend SGG are all idiots should I care that half of them left at some point or was that just the smart ones?
To “The Watcher”
DeleteLOL you are actually making my point. You see the problem is though that when you make a mountain out of molehill and so grossly exaggerate even simple things it serves to discredit everything you have written. On one had some of your posts seem to make a person think, “oh this looks bad”, but then upon further reading it is clear everything is completely horrible and scandalous to the authors of this blog. To normal people this is a big red flag and it would suggest taking everything you say with a very tiny grain of salt.
In addition, I was not spending so much time in defending SGG as pointing out how ridiculous your post is.
It is interesting how the authors of this blog use the same tactics they accuse the clergy at SGG and other places of using. A person that disagrees with you writes a post and you jump immediately to name calling. I’m a “dimwit”, “sucker” live in a vacuum, am “feeble”. I am surprised you didn’t add Flat-Earther to that!
I know laying out a position in a calm and concise manner and supporting it with facts might not be as fun as pretending you are on a very special mission to take down a “CULT” with your weekly blog posts that I’m sure you feel are all simply literary masterpieces for all to behold.
If you have such a mountain of evidence you surely shouldn’t need all of the insignificant fluff. If you have real issues to talk about why focus on so many things that even if were correct don’t really matter?
Good points:
DeleteTo “The Watcher”
LOL you are actually making my point. You see the problem is though that when you make a mountain out of molehill and so grossly exaggerate even simple things it serves to discredit everything you have written. On one had some of your posts seem to make a person think, “oh this looks bad”, but then upon further reading it is clear everything is completely horrible and scandalous to the authors of this blog. To normal people this is a big red flag and it would suggest taking everything you say with a very tiny grain of salt.
In addition, I was not spending so much time in defending SGG as pointing out how ridiculous your post is.
It is interesting how the authors of this blog use the same tactics they accuse the clergy at SGG and other places of using. A person that disagrees with you writes a post and you jump immediately to name calling. I’m a “dimwit”, “sucker” live in a vacuum, am “feeble”. I am surprised you didn’t add Flat-Earther to that!
I know laying out a position in a calm and concise manner and supporting it with facts might not be as fun as pretending you are on a very special mission to take down a “CULT” with your weekly blog posts that I’m sure you feel are all simply literary masterpieces for all to behold.
If you have such a mountain of evidence you surely shouldn’t need all of the insignificant fluff. If you have real issues to talk about why focus on so many things that even if were correct don’t really matter?
Anon. (9:08 PM/2:56 AM):
DeleteYou have said absolutely NOTHING, and you have ignored EVERYTHING – that is, everything as far as evidence is concerned. We (and Pistrina) have been reporting FACTS about Dannie et al for years, and you have ignored them. The fact that so many people left SGG’s cult center BEFORE we started writing is proof that Dolan & Co. is scum. (And the fact that people CONTINUE to leave them is also proof.) We know that we cannot convince dimwits like you – but we do appreciate you making a fool out of yourself by posting your comments. You are almost as good an advertisement (for staying away from SGG) as Dannie is.
May 16, 9:05 PM
DeleteYour questions really require almost a book-length response, but we'll try to give brief (and hence ultimately inadequate) replies. We invite you in your leisure to read through our back posts, since there isn't time for us to catalog the references now.
Some Readers are sedes others are not. Our collective position is "aliquid pravism": anyone who acknowledges that something is terribly wrong in Rome is our brother in the faith. We may not assist at his Mass for reasons of conscience, but he is an ally, not an enemy.
Even those of us who are sedes recognize that a very large number of sede priests have been illicitly ordained and are malformed, the bishops have been consecrated without an Apostolic mandate, and the chapels have not been erected canonically. Hence, they are not in the Church and cannot speak for her.
As to your question about how we would behave if $GG "clergy" were valid, we assume you're asking us whether we would speak as we do against validly ordained men who are in the Roman Catholic Church. To that we'd have to answer that were these men in the Church and had they been advanced to valid priestly orders, they would have been degraded to the lay state for their actions long ago. (BTW, we believe that most of these lowlifes would never have been accepted to a real seminary, let alone ordained.)
Now if you're asking with regard to validly ordained men who are not in the Church, then we would still treat them as we do the $GG & MHT religious entrepreneurs, since they are really laymen who just happen to possess orders. As such they are not entitled to the deference merited by authentic clergy of the Church.
It isn't a stretch to characterize the current cultlings as gutter trash. All the decent people left in 2009 or before, leaving only the dregs of humanity to support the cult masters. By then, morally informed folks had had enough. And you should indeed care that those who remained embraced by their continued membership the behavior of the "Principal," Dannie, & Checkie during the $GG $chool $candal.
If you have the time, read through the documents on 2009 SGG School Scandal and you'll see why no properly raised person of conscience could ever support the SW Ohio cult.
As for a list of "acceptable" trad priests, we will not publish one, mainly out of prudence. PL takes a very hard position that many people resent, to say the least. Knowing that many trads are not subtle thinkers, we fear any indication of approval would lead people to think these men endorsed our editorial policies and content. FYI, a few priests whom we deeply admire, do not agree with our tolerance of non-sedes, our opposition to the una-cum nonsense, or our views on their not representing the Church, etc. It would then do more harm than good.
But if you're looking for some rough-and-ready guidance, then just stay away from any "priest" who is associated with or has anything good to say about "One-Hand Dan," Tradzilla, the Long-Island Jellyfish, or the CMRI. Chances are, you'll find a winner. There are so many options to the cult masters, if you'll only look.
The ReaderMay 17, 2017 at 10:46 AM:
Delete"..a few priests whom we deeply admire, do not agree with our tolerance of non-sedes, our opposition to the una-cum nonsense, or our views on their not representing the Church,etc."
If you have deep admiration for them, and they have differing opinions to yours on such matters, have you considered that maybe, just maybe, their views on such matters are right, and yours are wrong?
Indeed we have interrogated ourselves on the very point you mention. After much thought, we firmly concluded that their opinions were inferior to ours or at least they were of the same degree of certitude. That still doesn't prevent us from admiring these men's piety, zeal for souls, devotion to the liturgy, humility, scholarly accomplishments, and intellect.
DeleteYou see, these points of disagreement are only opinions, and we did not find anything in theirs to weaken the loyalty we have toward ours. As good friends, we tolerate their differences of opinion as minor personality quirks, as we're sure they do with us. With those who insist their views are dogma or virtually so, we simply do not broach these issues. In our mind, there are a lot more interesting things about the faith to discuss than these empty speculations.
Were it not for our mission to see Tradistan shut down completely for the protection of decent people, we'd much prefer blogging about ecclesiastical Latin prose style, textual criticism of liturgical and Biblical texts, translating old papal documents heretofore untranslated, or medieval paleography.
May 16th, 9:05PM,
DeleteThe mission cannot be self-generated. The mission must come from the Church. None of the traditionalists who are alive today have a mission from the Church.
If you go to them for the sacraments, it is your request for the sacraments to them that gives them authorization to use their priestly powers, they do not have it on their own.
Absolutely correct as always, Gene.
DeleteWe would go further and say that the exercise of the powers of holy orders absent a concrete demand on the part of the laity is mortally sinful.
We have every hope that, in the future, traditional Catholics will realize the truth of what Gene is saying. Trad "clergy" have no purpose in life without the laity, who are their clients, not their subjects as they like to pretend. When you think about it, the laity actually rule the commission -ess Trad "clergy." Moreover, without the laity's demand, these "clergy's" souls are in peril, so they should treat their clients decently and not with contempt.
With Gene's two propositions in hand, traddies can turn the tables on the cult masters, and maybe these "bishops" will be prevented from founding "missions" without an invitation. Also, maybe they'll stop denying the sacraments for trivial reasons.
As long as there are laypeople wanting sacraments from the SSPX or sede clergy then said clergy have authorization each and every time.
DeleteAnd they act as Catholic clergy in providing the sacraments, even if absent any Mission.
DeleteThe Reader May 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM
DeleteIf you think the opinions of those esteemed clergy are inferior to yours or at least of the same degree of certitude, then do you think belief that one should not attend "una cum" Masses is not nonsense unless it is forbidden as dogma?
1:04
DeleteHeld as a personal opinion and not pushed upon others as dogma, we don't object to their belief in nonsense. Our objection arises when it's preached from the pulpit or tweeted as in the cult or demanded of others as a condition of receiving the sacraments.
So you highly esteem some priests who believe in nonsense.
Delete12:57 & 12:58
DeleteAs long as we remember two things. (1) they act like Catholic clergy only in confecting and administering the sacraments and (2) they may only do so at the explicit, authoritative demand of the laity, whose petition alone gives them permission to exercise the power of orders to confect the sacraments.
Solely within that narrow field of operation do they have any semblance at all to Roman Catholic clergy, and no one should ever forget they are still laymen who accidentally possess illicitly conferred holy orders. They do not enjoy any other right of Catholic clergy, not even the right to clerical dress outside the confection and administration of the sacraments.
7:07
DeleteYes, we do, because all humans have their little foibles. Believing in the una-cum bugbear is really no different from someone's believing in old wives' tales about wart removal. Provided that they keep it to themselves, there's no harm to others. As long as these priests are faithful the doctrines of the Church, serve souls well, don't put on airs, and don't soak the laity we won't let an eccentricity diminish our esteem.
Anon, May 17, 9:50 PM (and later, at 1:04 PM and 7:07 AM), your pointless attempt at trying to “trip up” “the Reader” was a pathetic FAILURE. But it does illustrate ONE point: that you are a HYPOCRITE. You remind me of the Pharisees who were trying to get our Lord to incriminate Himself, in order to have Him crucified.
DeleteOne can like or esteem or love a person, and still disagree with that person. A man, for instance, may disagree with his wife quite often, but that does not mean that he doesn’t love or esteem her. And the same holds for people with differing opinions, because that’s all they are -- OPINIONS. Can you get that through your thick, biased skull? So, go back to your Sanhedrin, Caiaphas, and bore THEM with your “legalese” claptrap.
The Reader May 20, 2017 at 7:12 AM
DeleteThey are not laymen if they possess valid holy orders.
The SSPX and sede clergy could save a lot of money if they stopped dressing like clergy all the time.
They are laymen with holy orders. They don't enjoy the clerical state because they are not within the Roman Catholic Church and have not received a commission from her. Only by being in the Church are they distinct by divine right from the laity.
DeleteDid the authors here ever attend SGG?
ReplyDeleteA couple of there Readers have attended $GG in the past.
DeleteWhen of couple of “the readers” attended SGG in the past were they at the time feeble and dimwitted? Did leaving SGG raise their intellect above moron status because they left or is your position that SGG was once good, but when it turned “the readers” were the few intellectual saviors that left and started a blog to help save the rest of the flock?
DeleteHave any of the Readers had personal contact with Bishop Sanborn and his priests?
DeleteAnon 9:10 PM
DeleteWe said "attended," not "belonged." They never lost their wits, so It didn't take long for them to see disturbing signs. Throughout their time with $GG & its affiliates, they refused to drink the Kool-Aid and they joined in the resistance.
This blog began in response to the cult masters' efforts to suppress public criticism of $GG and MHT as a result of the 2009 $GG $chool $candal. The full story will be made known at the appropriate time. Suffice it to say that after they thought they had shut down sgginfo and things were going to settle down, we bided our time until the right moment to return in the summer of 2010, starting with our exposure of Tony Baloney's error-filled WHH. But as we said, that'll be a story for the future.
Anon. 9:27 PM
DeleteYes.
So glad this site exists to warn people about the dangers of associating w/SGG/MHT --particularly young people. Both Dolan and Sanborn have covered for those who have impregnated vulnerable women that they were supposed to be caring for. Dolan - Lotarski child at the school impregnated another student; Lotarski children also hit other students and adult faculty, used profanity and showed other students pornography and animal cruelty videos. Sanborn covered for priest who impregnated a woman he was supposedly counseling.
ReplyDeletehttp://thelaypulpit.blogspot.com/2016/09/parrot-talk.html
"Also according to The Macomb Daily story, McMahon, an associate pastor of what was then known as St. Pius X Catholic Church in Warren, MI, was sued in September 1994 by a 21-year-old woman-parishioner for using "deception, religious duress and intimidation to force her to engage in sexual relations about a month after she sought" religious and psychological counseling from the priest.
"The young woman became pregnant and procured an abortion. "Afterward, she claims McMahon expressed relief over the abortion, then again had forced sexual relations with her," says the story.
"The young woman’s "problems stemmed from being sexually abused as a child, family problems and suicidal tendencies." She had begun counseling with McMahon in August 1992.
"McMahon subsequently dropped out of sight after being given the boot by his superior, Father (now Bishop) Donald Sanborn, who was named as a co-defendant in the young woman’s lawsuit."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b4CuENtt1ksJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1160060/posts+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
They also changed the dates and updated the website. Pretty stupid to have such short notice for this event. They put a pic of a dessert and now are soliciting w/this market-tested appeal to psychos: "Are you feeling isolated? Are you the only one your age at your Mass center? Do you long to meet and socialize with other Traditional Catholics who won’t think you’re a relic from the Middle Ages who has somehow time-traveled to the twenty-first century? If so, then you need to come hang out with us!Thirty years ago, St. Gertrude’s hosted a series of Young Adult Get-Togethers that resulted in many lifelong friendships (and several marriages, but that’s a fringe benefit). Even if you’re potentially called to the religious life or to the priesthood, you can never know too many good Catholics. In these difficult times, we need support groups of like-minded people more than ever.
"Our parish was sedevacantist then and remains so now — that is, we do not recognize the Vatican II popes as true popes.
"Participation in this Young Adult Get-Together is therefore limited to young sedevacantists — of which, thank heaven, there is now a large and ever-increasing number throughout the United States!
"OK, young sedes — it’s time to come and meet your peers!
"Our main focus is to get far-flung, isolated people to meet, interact, and make good Catholic friends through a weekend of fun outings, activities, and good food. Don’t be shy and check your phone at the door! "
https://yagincincy.wordpress.com/
Of course, nothing said about the 2009 scandal that cost half their parish, or their thieving of parishes entire savings so they can vacation at resorts in New Mexico; or their new parish rectory w/private climate controlled bedrooms & walk in closets. Really begs the question why last "YAG" was 30 years ago! Steer clear of this disaster!
Thanks for pointing out the date change. From now on, we'll print out $GG notices as well as link to them. Our intern insists she saw "June." Nevertheless, an editor should have checked the weekend dates to verify.
DeleteWhen you first posted I went on the website using your link and the dates were less than a month away-- i.e. the dates you posted were accurate (i.e. b4 6/21 (summer) and not even a month away). THEY (SGG) have changed the dates since your post. I'm praying will have to postpone all together.
DeleteAlso, Sanborn claimed forming his institute so he can inform lay people who is right when priests "fight" (I don't think he understands that priests aren't supposed to fight (?!)). Also states he's giving a list of approved clergy--but 2 times I know of, in cases of moral wrong doing he's failed to protect the sheep, but stood on the side of wolves: (1) w/Denis McMahon and (2) in 2009 w/Cekada and Dolan (he 'protected' them to save all he'd worked for (whosoever would save his life will lose it)). Also, while not 'approving' the CMRI, he's got Dolan on the photo entering his web site--and Dolan was "consecrated" by Pivaranus (CMRI)--again putting friends above principle.
"The Institute has a List of Approved Clergy. The purpose of this list is to ensure that the members do not
entangle themselves with clergy who are in some way unworthy or unacceptable. Something plaguing the traditional movement today is the proliferation of poorly trained priests and of priests with liberal or bizarre ideas. The Institute wants to keep clear of all of these types."
http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/Roman_Cath_Inst_Supplement.pdf
What could be more bizarre than using "the bishop's corner" to write about cats killing bunnies and birds and dragging the dead bodies around? But who gives retreats to Sanborn's seminarians? And isn't it bizarre to assign seminarians the "duty" to care for bishop sanborn's pet "fat cat"?
http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/
http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a01r_McGuire_Galitzin.html
Sanborn doesn't only protect mcmahon, he's covered up for certain parishiomers too. Money talks
DeleteIn Tradistan, money is the only voice. But others, too, suffer McMahon. A recent report alleges he attended the consecration of Bp. Zendejas on May 11 in Vienna, Va.
DeleteIf true, we must ask ourselves what's the matter with all traddie bishops.
Well, I wholly agree that it's all about $, but seriously, if you have any better idea of a scheme for such demographic groups, please disclose. It's pretty easy to ridicule.
ReplyDeleteThere is absolutely nothing wrong with square dancing, and it is in fact enjoying a sort of trend lately.
I do think it is a mistake to lump 18-35 together, this coming from a person aged in the last bit of that range, but with the numbers we're talking about, they probably can't get any narrower than that.
Truth is that in life people have to deal with all age groups. Segregating strictly by age as in schools is artificial by comparison.
It's pretty easy to ridicule because these men didn't do the hard planning and consultation necessary to come up with something meaningful for today's younger generation. Given the cult's position on popular music, condemning even the Oldies (which are popular among the younger set), it's impossible to have what used to called a "mixer." Their alternative is, in our opinion, laughable. Many urbane young traditional Catholics we know would be embarrassed to tell their friends they flew to Cinci for a square dance and an all-you-can-eat buffet followed by bowling. To be sure, the cult masters have no experience with that kind of trad since they lost all the better-class families years ago.
DeleteWe have nothing per se against square dancing: if that's what you enjoy, then go for it. Our point is that it's not something most young people do today to meet the opposite sex. As one young college-educated woman e-mailed us, clueless events like "YAG" encourage people to give up on trying to find a traditional mate. As the Swampland's élite kids' social media pages show, modern trads without authentic alternatives go the way of the world.
The MHT are more worldly, but they are also brainwashed into staying. They are told that is the only place to get to heaven. So, they leave, enjoy their time away, and then come back when it's their own children's time to go to school.
DeleteThey enjoy bikinis, rock concerts, motorcycles, drinking (lots and lots of drinking, even underage), the dreaded pants on women (gasp), and beach volleyball.
They tend to get jobs within the church families so not very many people leave for good. They all remain co-dependent on each other.
It's crazy how everyone portrays mht as catholic paradise. The kids curse, cheating is rampant at the school (in front of the nuns who are too busy checking their organic baking, while others cook their dinners), kids listen to rock music in cars or on the cell phones that they are forbidden to have but the parents let them have anyway, drinking is a given (even for the young), and the boys are not as innocent as they are portrayed (maybe people need to wise up and realize not to leave boys and girls without adult supervision).
No, definitely not Catholic Utopia.
Maybe boys should be taught to respect women, instead of the misogyny that Sanborn spews. Another concept would be to teach boys to avoid temptation and teach them how to resist. Burying your head in sand and pretending sex doesn't exist, doesn't make the temptations just go away
DeleteYour suggestions are what truly pastoral clergy would do — and did, but without salacious fire and brimstone sermons, which just make young men more curious to explore the forbidden.
DeleteMoreover, as you note, young men are poisoned by the woman-hating spirit of the cult, so it's not unexpected for them to objectify all females.
Have you ever actually BEEN to MHT? I have, and I was impressed with everyone - laity and clergy alike. The people were polite, the women were modestly dressed, and the young men were chivalrous. Nothing untoward occurred in the course of an entire week spent visiting various families in the parish. Someday God will judge you for slander and calumny.
DeleteI doubt that, one week is obviously enough time to put a show on for you. You may have seen that at church, but you sure enough didn't see it in the double lives the parish leads there. For you to say people were polite, leads me to believe you had an "in" there, especially if you spent time visiting various families in the parish. They only socialize within their own group, and all the parish knows that. The exception is sometimes made for special visitors with an "in".
DeleteMore good points by Anonymous May 16, 2017 at 9:05 PM
ReplyDeleteTo “The Reader”
"If we were to assume all of the priests at SGG are valid priests, would you still argue it is acceptable to speak in that manner you do about them?"
DeleteYou don't seem to know much about Cekada & Dolan:
They deport priest they trained & ordained: "As regards Fr. Ramolla's trial with CIS on May 19, the lawyer thinks that because their cases are essentially the same, the outcome for Fr. R. will be the same as it was for Bernie Hall: CIS will "allow" Fr. Ramolla to depart "voluntarily" within a certain period of time -- though perhaps a little more than the 60 days Bernie got. Thus the principal points of how the lawyer reads the situation. He's been handling our immigration work for nearly twenty years now, and he's almost always been right, so I think this is probably the way things will end up. -- Fr. Cekada
http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/Removing-All-Doubt
"As for those who have left us, I do not know what they will do ultimately, because it seems that Father Ramolla is in the process of being deported. (The employment status he had with us, it appears, was not transferable.)"
http://www.fathercekada.com/page/6/?q=roulette-player
They steal building funds & sell churches (why this site is so happy AZ went w/CMRI): "The one in Columbus (St. Clare) ended up being sold (without the parishioners’ knowledge or consent) by Dolan and Cekada, who then pocketed the proceeds ($320,000). In addition, they also confiscated St. Clare’s building fund ($123,664), plus their operating fund ($19,330). I don’t know what the reader would call these actions; but where most folks come from, they're called theft. St. Clare’s parishioners, now dispossessed of their church, currently hold services in a rented building, with a priest (who, by the way, was also discarded by Dolan) saying Mass for them.
http://thelaypulpit.blogspot.com/2013/10/well-ok-he-got-schiavo-wrong-but.html
http://sggscandal.com/frcekada/bastaja.htm
Sanborn brags about training Ramolla while doing nothing for him as Cekada & Dolan deport him (see the parishioner's response to Sanborn--this parishioner was the biggest donor at SGG (talking 100s of thousands of dollars) supporting both the parish & the school so these clowns can write dead bunny stories): "You have Father Ramolla because the seminary exists and has trained him, and despite his criticism of me, I believe that all would agree that Father was trained rather well. He is trained well because I and Father Cekada, primarily, devoted ourselves relentlessly to the operation of this institution, and have worked very hard to do our best to preserve a high standard.
http://sggscandal.com/bpsanborn/parishioneronleaving.htm
D/C/S treat people like scum, but it's they who are the scum. Having nothing to do w/them.
http://sggscandal.com/articles/schoolfounding.htm
Great reminders for everybody who is blind enough to defend these "clergy." In a few weeks, we'll return to Checkie's wrong predictions of permanent removal from the USA.
DeleteIs it not ok to criticize a priest if he is doing something wrong? So, you can't criticize pedophile priests? Would that make it wrong that Sanborn criticizes cmri? Would that make it wrong that Sanborn and Selway celebrated a fellow priest's death with champagne/wine?
ReplyDeleteYes, you can criticize a priest of the Roman Catholic Church for wrongdoing. You can even denounce him to the chancery or the civil authorities. In serious cases, it's your duty.
DeleteIn the case of Junior, Big Don, Checkie, Dannie, the Jellyfish etc. you don't have to be concerned about the manner in which you level your criticisms: they are NOT priests of the Roman Catholic Church, so they deserve no special treatment or restraint otherwise afforded to clergy in good standing. Furthermore, since they're not in the Church, they have no lawful superiors to whom you could appeal for redress of your grievances. They are layman, some of whom may possess valid (but illicit) holy orders.
And as to any accusation of detraction by exposing the ignorance and stupidity of the cult masters, note what McHugh & Callan wrote in their 1929 Moral Theology:
...{T}here is no right to an extraordinary reputation, if it is based on false premises, for the common good does not require such a right, and hence it is not a detraction to show that the renown of an individual for superior skill or success is built on advertising alone or merely on uninformed rumor.
The Reader May 17, 2017 at 2:46 PM,
DeleteOn what grounds specifically do you claim they are not priests of the Roman Catholic Church?
Do you think they are heretics Schismatics?
Do you think SSPX clerics are priests of the Roman Catholic Church?
If so, what is the difference?
They are not priests in the Roman Catholic Church because they have not received a mission from her through licit ordination nor do they serve churches or oratories established by the Church in her territories.
DeleteWe don't think they're all schismatics, for we understand the ecclesiological reasons for their operating outside the Church during the crisis. Some of us here believe the SSPX in virtue of its ecclesiology may be considered as still belonging to the Church, others are not so sure.
We have no objection to independent priests' offering the sacraments to Catholics who hold in conscience that the NO sacraments are invalid. Our objection is any pretense that these men are part of the Church and have her commission.
The Reader May 18, 2017 at 9:15 AM
DeleteIf they are outside the Church, they are not Catholic. Same with SSPX. But if epekia and eccesia suplet apply then their ordinations are licit; yes?
No. The Church supplies jurisdiction to her own priests who have a commission from her. Ordinations without dimissorial letters and consecrations without an Apostolic mandate are illicit.
DeleteWe should note here that they SSPX may present a very different case from the sedes.
What then of Francis Bergoglio?
ReplyDeleteA great laugh this week to another fine article.Well done.
ReplyDeleteWe are a family down here in Melbourne,Australia.Just been told Sanborn is taking over the CMRI missions here.We are not at all surprised JG has been showed the door,wonder where he will go?We left the SSPX for a while and had attended JG Masses at the home of the Arthurs several times.We were not at all happy with him and found him very strange.Even my children knew something was wrong with "Father"
We think you are doing a great job with this website to expose these Sede Clerics.Keep up the good work.
Anonymous May 17, 2017 at 8:40 PM
DeleteAre you back to attending SSPX now? Or have you found a different solution?
8:40 PM
DeleteChip on the old shoulder?
Anonymous May 17, 2017 at 8:40 PM
DeleteSanborn is not taking over the CMRI missions in Australia. That rumour mill is full of thit.
So far, we've read that Sin-burn is just taking over the Melbourne mission. Last Sunday, according to Sanborn's schedule, Junior and the Beanpole were in Australia.
DeleteIn Sin-burns January newsletter,he spoke also of Brisbane.Just wondering if he is also taking this over too as he wants to open more missions.
Delete7:59 PM
DeleteBrisbane is not in Sanborn's pocket, to my knowledge.
So far, Sin-burn has only mentioned sending the Beanpole to Melbourne. But we're sure expansion is on his mind, if and only if, Brisbane can afford it.
DeleteAnonymous May 17 9.59PM
ReplyDeleteYes,back at the SSPX.They have two Churches here in Melbourne with a large school with good nuns.My wife and I wonder what good Sanborns priest will do.We bet he will achieve more in a few months then JG.My son said to me,JG would not inspire them to the priesthood or religious life.He always was scowling and never happy.As I said above,he was very strange and judging by his manner was unsure of himself.He would never have made it in the SSPX seminary.
You realize Sanborn barely smiles, right? Nor do many of his priests, unless it is to put on a good show until you get to know them. You have a young one who is still somewhat happy, but they teach their parish to look down to avoid eye contact and have excessive rules. Once you are under Sanborn's rule and give him your money, the real Sanborn will come out of the closet and inundate you with all his crazy rules. He will leave you just as unhappy as who you stated above, only this time, you will be broke too. It's a shame he's so convincing to you all; his newsletter about his Australia trip should have made you all realize he's expecting you to wine and dine him and treat him like the king he thinks he is. How much do you have to pay his Brooksville compound, in order to keep a priest there? Did he promise to send some nuns too? Sanborn has a great deal of empty promises, but it usually becomes pretty apparent of what he really wants, your money.
Delete11:11 PM
DeleteUnsure? You can talk! You journey from SSPX to Arthur's home and back to SSPX.
Anonymous May 17 9.59PM
DeleteAre you sedes?
Anonymous May 18 4.28
DeleteWhat a goofty reply.A number of folk from the SSPX have attended sede Masses over the years.A number go back to the SSPX.You sound braindead.Wake up and have the courage like the folk who run this website to expose the sede scum.Why hide the TRUTH.
10:42 PM
DeleteThe truth is "SSPX in disarray in France": 100 walked away from St Nicholas Church in Paris, 15 said the Rosary in front of the pulpit while the District Superior was still talking. Could happen near you !!!
Perhaps the Reader or PL could comment about the SSPX standards for accepting seminarians.As someone above said,JG would never have made it in a SSPX seminary.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes my gut sick is the thought of how their sede clerics can harm Souls and get away with it.Any normal Catholic man would have terrible conscience problems with the fear of standing before God on judgement day and being condemned to hell for a total lack of care for lost Souls. Its not only Sanborn,Dolan,etc.Some of the horror stories these sede clerics cause and their lies to cover themselves are just beyond words.
You must have received your blessing from Francis Bergoglio and his ventilator monster-ance in his recent Fatima visit.
DeleteAnonymous May 18, 2017 at 12:03 AM
Delete...and their lies to cover themselves... applies to those in Rome. Where hast thou been?
Anon. 12:03,
DeleteFrom what we've heard directly from those close to SSPX seminaries, the entrance standards are fairly high, certainly much higher than for the sede vocational training diploma mills. In addition, the curriculum is rigorous, and the young men are afforded plenty of time to study. One complaint we hear about the sede "seminaries" is that all the chores don't allow sufficient time to master the material.
Maybe you should watch the interview with a MHT seminarian who left the SSPX seminary because MHT was WAY better....it's on YouTube.
DeleteSquare dancing was done at the first YAGs back in the '80s and is still considered by many trad Catholics to be "safer" than waltzing and other "contact dances." Songs are pre-screened to avoid questionable or bad content.
DeleteYou people on here, with the exception of Anonymous, who actually uses the sense God gave him, have filthy minds and should be ashamed of yourselves.
Over 50 young people from all over the USA came to the YAG, had a nice time, and made many new friends. The ONLY money that went to SGG was a stipend to the two priests involved for their time, and they did not even ask for one.
Get your heads out of the toilet and realize that people can have good clean fun without you.
Wait for our report on Yag in a couple of weeks. You'll see it was a BUST. And why did those "priests" need a stipend? They had the weekend free. And BTW, how much were those scum buckets paid?
DeleteThey were given a stipend because they spent considerable time preparing sermons and talks for the young people. Generally that is what good Catholics do when priests do them a favor. The stipends were not in any way extravagant.
DeleteDoes Cekada and Sanborn read your blog? Have they ever publicly commented?
ReplyDeleteInteresting that so many people know these men have covered up for abusers, but people complain about the Novus ordo coverups and not them.
We're pretty sure that the Cheeseball has both read us and made comments here. Sources at $GG tell us Dannie has made allusions in his sermons to some of our content. As for Tradzilla, we have it on good authority that at least some of his folks monitor PL regularly and speculate about who's supplying us with inside info.
DeleteYour last comment speaks to a curious phenomenon about the cultlings. Many of them know how bad the cult masters are but somehow think they have to endure it all in order to have the sacraments. Even some of their biggest supporters confide in private their misgivings and dislike.
At one point, Sanborn discouraged the young from dancing. Is this still the case?
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone see this Sanborn as a Jim Jones type leader? Looking at it, he has used the same techniques. He moved from California to Michigan to Florida, taking his most loyal of followers. Everyone else was left behind. He asks for a little money each time for a new project that he's been working on, allowing him to collect loads of money without being noticed. He has promised Catholic utopia to his followers, by providing a cemetery, school, convent, church, seminary, etc. all in one place. He encourages his parishioners to seperate from the rest of society and buy up land around his utopia. His parishioners believe that only he is holding the true faith.
ReplyDeleteHe uses sophisticated types of compliance, conformity and obedience training. Encouraging other parishiomers to spy on each other, distorting people's perception, mindless compliance. The fact that he is isolating to his own "compound" should scare people. These are the exact things that Jim Jones did (isolation and fear). Does fire and brimstone sermons ring a bell here?
"This concept of gaining power through an inflated following is the source of Jones’ insatiable thirst for new recruits." We could interchange Sanborn here with Jones'. Sanborn's new organization, him recruiting families to move to his compound, etc.
"If we examine Jones’ rhetoric, his speeches, his writings, his recordings, his sermons, his healings, and his actions, we notice an unsurprising detail: he has an ulterior motive behind the majority his claims. Jones, in nearly everything he does, makes severe efforts to tie his own image to that of a god-like figure." (Again, insert Sanborn in place of jones here)
"The only way for the members to survive became clear: become silent, become unquestioning, and become obedient."
There are too many similarities to Jones and sanborn.
Bingo! You hit the nail on the head! And Dannie and Pivvy are doing the same things as Big Don too; the difference is only in the matter of degree. All the “bishop-led” cults need to be shut down (and their leaders should serve prison time for FRAUD).
DeleteLooks like Sanborn's school is a go:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tbo.com/news/localgovernment/hernando-planning-commission-grants-permit-for-traditional-catholic-school/2323299
It's "a go" if in 14 years you have 28 students and eight faculty...[if it weren't for the 8 faculty a one-room school house would do it.]
ReplyDelete"A one-story school will be constructed on the site and will consist of classrooms and an auditorium, according to the application. ...Queen of All Saints was founded in 2003 by the Rev. Joseph Selway, who still teaches at the school and serves at Most Holy Trinity Seminary, which is on the same site southeast of Brooksville, but to the north of where the nearly 20,000-square-foot convent is slated to be built. Plans for that facility, at Spring Lake Highway and Rosecrans Street, include two phases. When completed, there will be a two-story structure that includes room for 34 residents, a chapel and a classroom on 16 acres.
Queen of All Saints, the traditional Catholic school, boasts a student-to-teacher ratio of 4 to 1. According to the school's website, "at the Academy, the faculty and the parents understand that education is not the mere presentation of useful information; rather it is the intense act of molding the child's intellect and will so that he has both a firm grasp of the supernatural and natural truth, and the moral ability to lead a life in accordance with the commandments of God.''
The school currently has 28 students enrolled and eight staff members."
http://www.tbo.com/news/localgovernment/hernando-planning-commission-grants-permit-for-traditional-catholic-school/2323299
We don't see how "teachers" without formal training and degrees can mold "the child's intellect."
DeleteMore frightening than anything else is the part about "34 residents." Is it possible that the cult might try to increase the low enrollment by operating a boarding school?
DeleteAccording to sanborn's newsletter, they are going to be doing classes through Skype. It wouldn't surpise me if they tried a boarding school though; they have outrageous spending habits and need money to keep their organic tastes fulfilled. they could probably get more brainwashing accomplished if they opened a boarding school though because they wouldn't have any interference from parents. It being on the seminary property would also mean free labor for the seminary and convent, which would free up the seminarians to study.
DeleteSounds like a good analysis. Pity the poor kids whose parents fall for this. Pity the kids future with such an "education."
DeleteSounds more like a 'go nowhere' to me.
ReplyDeleteFrom what is written here, it is more like a school for 3 families (and maybe a scattered few families that come and go). Would that make the school more of a governance type school, where the girls are taught they are to be nuns and the boys are taught that they need to go to work for the big families as servitude to the main family? This appears to be a codependent place. Why have there been NO male vocations, except for Junior's (which we know that he was forced into and also where the family has donated so much money to Sanborn that he has been given the future title of bishop)?
DeleteSorry for the belated comment, just discovered your blog two days ago!
ReplyDeleteWhether bowling and square dancing are lame is a matter of personal opinion (though I do agree the majority of young people today would agree that they are). But if you're going to spend hundreds of dollars to fly out and have a lame time, why waste the time doing stuff you can do literally anywhere else, and eating at a chain restaurant? Why not at least do something you can only find in Cincinatti?
I noticed too that they have totally revamped the wording on their website about the event (conveniently erasing all the creepy old stuff about attracting isolated people and trying to "get her"). The website still completely fails to make the event sound appealing, though.
It was a snoozefest, and that's being charitable. Wait until you see our report in a few weeks. You'll be aghast at what occurred. If anyone thinks that disaster was appropriate for adults, they're in need of counseling.
DeleteYAG was a total success!
ReplyDeleteNot really. You'll see when we post about it in a couple weeks. It was really quite embarrassing. Adults should be treated as adults, not little children. As usual, the center of attention was the malformed "clergy."
DeleteWere you there?
DeleteWe'll post an eyewitness account.
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